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| chuckles |
Posted on 25-07-2008 04:26
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My team have been asking if we are going to carry on the Summer League format, as the AGM is held in September and the registration money has to be in by 22nd August. What is the general consensus? Is it a plus or minus? I admit I was against it at first but it seems to work well, although I don't like the idea of a draw. Can anyone come up with a sollution? Are we going to, at least, make the minute rule a little more enforcable, as three sets of five would solve the draw situation. Are we going to bring in Scotch Doubles?
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Posted on 25-07-2008 04:37
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Format needs to be proposed for Half Yearly AGM. We certainly want to see the Summer format continued and are happy to make a proposal to Mark Halsey if we have a seconder. Some fine tuning of order of play would need to be agreed upon. 7 frames next winter will be a step back for this league.... |
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Posted on 25-07-2008 04:39
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Absolutely agree that the order of play needs to be sorted out.
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Posted on 25-07-2008 06:04
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we need to make sure Winter league continues from the fine work of the summer league even though there have been teething troubles I would love to play all ten of my players every week in the winter league, that is all Icare about |
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Posted on 25-07-2008 06:36
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I think the 10 man thing works fantasticly and I will be voting for it if it is proposded for the winter league ( with an option to win cause that's what we all want on paper) but I will not be voting for the 60 second rule if its proposed because it's still a pub league, if every pub was looking to put players forward and expand their team to croydon a's or b's or even surrey it's a yes but most teams go out on a tuesday night just to have fun with their mates, play pool and hopefully win, if croydon a's b's or surrey find players in this great league who want to progrese their form ...fantastic but I don't think doing this will (a) increase the league( which I think should be the main aim), cause I think this would shrink it cause were going away from the fact that we all love playing pool and it will scare of other teams who want to go into the croydon league for some fun, and ( , I can't count up to 60 seconds even with the half time announcement with a few strongbows which I enjoy on a teus night |
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Posted on 25-07-2008 07:55
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sorry tues night.........................got wrong with the bottle of pimms that's following me and made me say this...cheers thanks ta
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Posted on 25-07-2008 15:36
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Well I would love to see the 60 seconds rule brought in. 60 seconds is plenty of time to play a shot and too many games this season have gone on past 11. I honestly nodded off during frame 8 a couple of weeks ago. |
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Posted on 25-07-2008 16:15
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Although I would like to see the 60 second rule introduced in principle, I think it is unrealistic to expect the average league player to use a stopwatch on every shot and it would lead to even more disputes. Some sort of discretionary rule should be introduced to combat slow play though. |
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Posted on 25-07-2008 16:29
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It's a great rule but it doesn't have a place in local league IMO . .
. . World Rules alienated people enough but this would tip them over the edge!
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Posted on 25-07-2008 16:35
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Perhaps just use the 60 second rule for Mark Hartley-Miller, Rob Cogar, Alex Barnetson and Garry Rawlings. |
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Posted on 25-07-2008 17:41
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I can totally see both sides of the argument, it is a pub league and the minute rule is a bit too serious but I can't be dealing with matches going on all night when they don't need to.
Perhaps an optional 2 minute rule would work. For the majority of players it would not even come close to making causing a problem as 2 minutes is a fairly long time to think of a shot...
The way I would set this up is that frames start without the clock but if both refs are in agreement that the game is being played too slowly then they make an announcement to both players that the shots will be timed from the next visit/shot.
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Posted on 25-07-2008 17:54
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But who will supply the stopwatches? And which ref will timekeep? You can't have both of them timekeeping as they won't start their timers at the same moment, so then comes the argument if one ref says it's a time foul and the other says it isn't.
Then you have the fun of trying to explain to people exactly what they can and can't do after a time foul . . .
I can't see any way round this, other than if someone is CLEARLY taking the piss, for the Secretary of the 'aggrieved' team to have a word with the other teams Secretary and get them to speak to their player and explain they can't take so long.
There is just no way to penalise the offending player unless you bring in the timing rule and I don't think this is a good thing for the League even though I would welcome it into the games. |
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Posted on 25-07-2008 18:22
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60 seconds per shot is a long time. 2 minutes per shot would mean that even if someone dished up it could take 16 minutes. I think part of the problem is players taking too long over one shot. In that instance the ref or secretary should be able to speak to the other team secretary and then perhaps agree to give the player 60 seconds from that point to play the shot. |
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| Spud |
Posted on 25-07-2008 18:27
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Lils touched on the solution above.
It is up to the secretarys of every team to simply tell thier players:
"Lads / Lasses, we play world rules in this league, and although the 60 second rule is not enforced, let's still use that as a guide when we're at the table"
You could name the excessively slow players in each division on one hand, so I think to punish the masses for the sins of a few would be harsh.
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Posted on 25-07-2008 18:31
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Oh, and the future is definitley 3 X 5.
They play this format in Reigate with no problems whatsoever. Start and finish the same time as what we currently play 10.
Too soon for this Winter I think, but food for thought.
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Posted on 26-07-2008 01:09
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3 x 5 is too long I reckon.
Stick with the 10 frames.
If someone puts through a decent proposal, i will second it.
As for the 60 second rule......Do we really need it, we haven't done for 20 odd years, even back in the days when Dennis Bloss (wrong spelling I know) was around?
Edited by harry on 26-07-2008 01:11
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Posted on 26-07-2008 01:24
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Posted on 26-07-2008 01:25
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Lils wrote:
But who will supply the stopwatches? And which ref will timekeep? You can't have both of them timekeeping as they won't start their timers at the same moment, so then comes the argument if one ref says it's a time foul and the other says it isn't.
Then you have the fun of trying to explain to people exactly what they can and can't do after a time foul . . .
I can't see any way round this, other than if someone is CLEARLY taking the piss, for the Secretary of the 'aggrieved' team to have a word with the other teams Secretary and get them to speak to their player and explain they can't take so long.
The answer to the supply of the stop watch couldn't be simpler. Each player donates ?1.40 each, if they are a 5 man team, go to Argos and buy, Sports LCD Chronograph Stopwatch. 277/9384 . Plus most people carry mobile phones with them, and most of them have a stop watch if they don't want to pay for one.
As for refing and time keeping, you have one ref doing the timekeeping and the other ref doing the reffing. Obviously the ref doing the time keeping will have his attention devided as he will have to keep an eye on the game also. but after a very short time you get to know, fairly acurately, when the 30 second mark is up, and the same for the minute. So he will be able to cope reasonably easily.
As for explaining the rules, There are still people that don't fully understand the rules as they are, so nothing will change there.
I don't consider myself a quick player, but whenever I have played the minute rule I rarely here the "30 seconds" being called.
I was only sugesting the minute rule if we were to adopt the 3 sets of 5 format. As it was said earlier in the thread, Reigate league play 15 frames without a problem. They have the minute rule but rarely inforce it. If some one is taking too long in a game the ref warns the player. If the warning is not heeded the stop watch is used. We could adopt this.
If anyone is in doubt about how long it takes to play a shot. Time your team mates this Tuesday with out telling them that you are doing it. I did this just before the world rules were voted into this league, and no-one took over a minute to play a shot through the whole match. And that was the old rules, Suposedly slower.
Edited by chuckles on 26-07-2008 01:31
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Posted on 26-07-2008 22:02
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Timekeeping has no place in a local pool league. |
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Posted on 26-07-2008 22:15
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i think the 2 x 5 is a good format but the games do seem to go on longer in most cases and especially with the away matches its not a lot of fun when your up early in the morning finding yourself not getting home until nearly 11.30... some players do take a ridiculous amount of time on pretty straight forward shots and this needs to be looked at. i personally would support the minute rule with the addition of the player having the option of calling one time out per frame if that player feels the need to take longer on one particular shot. |
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