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Amendments to new format
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| Statto |
Posted on 09-07-2008 06:49
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We all know this is only a trial, but if this is to be voted in at the AGM as an ongoing format, there needs to be a little clarification. I know Danny did a lot of hard work in setting this up in the first place, but action has shown a few little wrinkles that can be ironed out.....and as the AGM is only 2 monthe away, it's worth sorting sooner rather than later....
If I had a vote, I would bring this format in, but with the following amendments....
1. No player can play twice until all other players have played once. As soon as a name appears twice, all subsequent names must also be playing their second frame. Penalty if this is broken - 2 point deduction (reason - playing order can have a knock-on effect if you are picking players to win frames against particular opponents)
2. Players cannot play each other twice. It would be the responsibility of the away secretary/captain to ensure this, thus negating the need for a specific playing order to be adhered to. Penalty if this is broken - 1 point deduction per duplication - i.e. if two players play each other twice, 2 point deduction for the away team (reason - if the secretary/captain cannot read the card put in front of him, what is he doing picking the team???)
I'm not saying that this is the perfect solution, and others will have their own views, but let's get this ironed out early to minimise debate at the AGM.... |
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| Lils |
Posted on 09-07-2008 06:57
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1. What a load of old doo doos! Kyle turned up for us last night to stop us being short of players, but could only get there late and didn't want to stay due to other plans, so he played 5 & 6. Nowt wrong with that. Home team have always had to put their team down first anyway, so the away team have the opportunity to handpick who plays who. I don't really understand this amendment - maybe it's because it's late and i'm tired.
2. Definately. My understanding was that it shouldn't happen anyway and what with Mr Halseys post on here a little while ago relaxing the order of players in the second set of 5 saying that if it happens he'll let it go for now, but it really SHOULDN'T happen, I don't see why people would do it. It's so easily avoided and completely pointless. |
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| Viper |
Posted on 11-07-2008 23:13
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Jason, I appreciate what you are trying to say in Point 1 of your statement but the part about point deductions is a bit ott. If we are going to adopt this playing format for the Winter (sets of 5) then I see a simple solution for it to work.
1 - No player plays twice between 1 & 5
2 - Do away with the 2nd set match numbers (ie: 2nd set to be numbered 6-10).
3 - Do away with the statement that nobody playes each other twice.
If Team Secretary's/Captains want to play a 1-5 player twice before other players have played their first frame because a player has to leave early or a player cannot turn up until later on in the match then why not.
I think the above covers a multitude of sins and I would welcome comments.
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| Golden |
Posted on 11-07-2008 23:20
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You've hit the nail on the head there and I am sure I speak for the concensus in saying that those were the three things to come out as being the logical amendments . . |
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| harry |
Posted on 11-07-2008 23:21
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Make it best of 9 so there is a winner, but do away with the 2 points for the win.
Well, theres my thoughts. Im going to have a kip now!
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| andye |
Posted on 12-07-2008 01:05
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10's good, no bonus points required as a win is worth 2 points anyway! |
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| Sass |
Posted on 12-07-2008 02:06
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I remember an instance with the old rules where Sarah King was picked again and got dished twice without playing a shot. It would be even more annoying if this happened with the same players involved. |
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| Viper |
Posted on 12-07-2008 12:04
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andye wrote:
10's good, no bonus points required as a win is worth 2 points anyway! I make you right on this one |
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| Viper |
Posted on 12-07-2008 12:07
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Sass wrote:
I remember an instance with the old rules where Sarah King was picked again and got dished twice without playing a shot. It would be even more annoying if this happened with the same players involved. You can always add an appendix by stating "Players should refrain from playing the same opponent twice if it can be avoided" |
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| Viper |
Posted on 12-07-2008 12:12
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There is 7 weeks before the AGM Agenda is circulated to get this current Playing Format revised if you want it to proceed.
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| Golden |
Posted on 12-07-2008 18:00
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I was on the understanding that this was only going to format change was only for the Summer  |
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| harry |
Posted on 12-07-2008 18:14
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It was a trial.
It pretty much seems to be working, so why not do it for the winter as well?!
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| Golden |
Posted on 12-07-2008 18:26
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It makes no odds to me but the proposal was for it to be trialled throughout the Summer 2008 season and then look for it to be introduced for the 2009/2010 Winter Season should the trial be successful . .
I personally think the format has been well received and there should be no reason why the results so far can't form a proposal for it to be brought into the forthcoming 2008/2009 Winter Season but the problem is that I am sure everyone else doesn't share my thoughts . . |
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| Spud |
Posted on 12-07-2008 18:33
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I would be a fan of getting it in place for the forth coming Winter Season, but I was of the understanding that it is now too late for that?
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| Golden |
Posted on 12-07-2008 18:40
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The forms have gone out based on 7 player teams . . |
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| Triple C |
Posted on 12-07-2008 20:00
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If people are worried about getting a draw after 10 frames we could have an 11th frame but instead of getting two points for a win you'd only get the one, like you do in ice hockey if it goes into overtime... or winner still gets two but losing team get one for forcing the 11th frame... |
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| Lils |
Posted on 12-07-2008 20:28
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I don't understand the neccesity for a win. Sometimes a draw is the fairest option and should be a possiblility. If you truly deserve the win, it shouldn't get anywhere near the 5 all.
In my humble, rubbish opinion that is!  |
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| harry |
Posted on 12-07-2008 21:15
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Lils wrote:
I don't understand the neccesity for a win.
Typical woman comment! :razz:
Edited by harry on 12-07-2008 21:29
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| angles |
Posted on 13-07-2008 01:53
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I am all for the new format as it is working well all round really but the only problem that has arisen of late is players playing the same player twice.
As we all know this is easily rectified by team captains reading the order of play and swapping players so they don't meet again. did
I also now that this has been mentioned before and thought it was dead and buried but having been approached by a few people telling me that this is a better idea than just frames I will try to demonstrate
what this method of scoring will do to div 5 if it was implimented.
The current league standings for div 5 is:
P W L F A Pts
crouching chicken H.P 6 5 1 47 13 47
the better halfs 6 4 1 42 18 42
Duke of gloucester 6 3 0 42 18 42
jolly sailor 6 5 0 38 22 38
suzy's floozies 6 2 2 32 28 32
royal joakers 6 2 3 28 32 28
thicket tavern 6 2 3 28 32 28
rusking house club 6 1 5 23 37 23
the waddon b 6 1 4 20 40 20
If the scoring reverted too 3Pts per win and 1Pt per Draw
the league table would look like this.
P W D L F A Pts
Jolly Sailor 6 5 1 0 38 22 16
Crouching Chicken HP 6 5 0 1 47 13 15
Better Halfs 6 4 1 1 42 18 13
Duke of Gloucester 6 3 0 3 42 18 9
Suzy's Floozies 6 2 2 2 32 28 8
Royal Joakers 6 2 1 3 28 32 7
Thicket Tavern 6 2 1 3 28 32 7
Waddon "B" 6 1 1 4 20 40 4
Ruskin House Club 6 1 0 5 23 37 3
As you all can clearly see that the Jolly Sailor then goes from 4th spot to 1st having played 6 games won 5 and drew 1. being 4th on the pts system and the new format really doesn't warrant them being in that position.
For the reasons above I would like to see the new Pts system implimented into the winter league if the format we are playing now is introduced into the winter 2008/09.
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| Luke |
Posted on 13-07-2008 02:15
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I understand that this would make it closer from the table standings point of view, but this could technically defeat the object of the 10 frame format cos once a team hits 6 frames thay will have the win. I like the fact that every frame counts in the current format. |
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