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| Brooker |
Posted on 24-09-2015 01:14
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So as far as rule 30 is concerned, shouldn't the following have happened then.
8.15 Wizards claim frame 1 (Only 1 opposing team present)
8.25 Wizards claim frame 2 (Only 1 opposing team present)
8.35 Wizards claim frame 3 (Only 2 opposing team present)
8.45 Wizards claim frames 4 & 5 as opposing team now have 3 players present, which is a legal line up (If Jacko was there by 8.45), & no other players present to start frames 4 & 5.
You would then start the second set, playing all frames, as the opposing team would have had 5 players present at the start of their designated frame.
Is that correct, or i have a misunderstood the rule ?
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Posted on 24-09-2015 01:14
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It's no great Secret Jacko has been Turning up for matches late since the 60es and it can be very annoying if the match has not started before 8.45 I don't know what it's down too , laziness arrogance whatever but if the first set was offered at a 5-0 score line I think what was done was a very poor way to go about things and I two would have been fuming , it really does not reflect well on the leauge the Committee members should have seen the bigger picture |
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| Brooker |
Posted on 24-09-2015 01:20
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I agree with Handbrake, worst case scenario for the Rack Pack should have been starting the second set 5-0 down, if Jacko was there by 8.45 & the Rack pack had 3 players there.
Either way, 8.43, 44, 45, 46 whatever, the match would have started at 5-0 to the Wizards at 8.45ish. Otherwise they have actually claimed a walkover win for the other team literally being a few seconds late.
Were the Wizards within their rights to actually claim a walkover win ?
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Posted on 24-09-2015 01:24
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Pat you crack me up n a signed picture is on its way to you my friend,mark yea clearly lazziness n arrogance because thats the way i roll n you lesser mortals mean nothing to me...haha rick with a silent p  ....am i understanding this right chris that we had every right to play the 2nd set? as i thought i was a little late but Terry timed it at 8.43 i actually entered the arena 
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| Brooker |
Posted on 24-09-2015 01:30
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As i see it, if you were there at 8.43, you would have had a legal line up by 8.45 as you would have had 3 players there, none of the 3 of you could have played the first set, because the Wizards would have already claimed the first 3 games. They would then have claimed frames 4 & 5 because you would have had no one there to start those frames.
The second set would then have started with the 3 of you there, playing frames 6,7 & 8.
If more of your team were there by the end of those 3 frames, they could have played frames 9 & 10.
Then you would have picked any player to play frame 11.
That's if i have got rule 30 correct & if you were there by 8.45
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Posted on 24-09-2015 01:36
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Ok mate thanks i'll pass this on |
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| Viper |
Posted on 24-09-2015 01:49
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Brooker wrote:
As i see it, if you were there at 8.43, you would have had a legal line up by 8.45 as you would have had 3 players there, none of the 3 of you could have played the first set, because the Wizards would have already claimed the first 3 games. They would then have claimed frames 4 & 5 because you would have had no one there to start those frames.
The second set would then have started with the 3 of you there, playing frames 6,7 & 8.
If more of your team were there by the end of those 3 frames, they could have played frames 9 & 10.
Then you would have picked any player to play frame 11.
That's if i have got rule 30 correct & if you were there by 8.45
You near on got that spot on Chris as i read the same but whats questionable here I think between the 2 sides is what time did the 3rd player arrive ? ..... In an earlier post he stated he was a few minutes late but I recall Terry Brindle asking me about procedures and my phone time was 8.43 but I did not see TJ until I heard heated exchanges a little while later as I was watching my teams match. I know its finicky over a few minutes but if it ran over the 8.45 deadline for a mimimum legal line up then the frames are defaulted ..... albeit harshly as a comprimise could have been a second set start with the Wizards starting at 5-0 up as whats been said earlier. 8.25 you claim the 1st frame .... 8.35 the 2nd and 8.45 the 3rd with 4-11 being defaulted at the same time.
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| AndyT |
Posted on 24-09-2015 03:11
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So gentlemen, as the secretary of The 193's, let me tell you my version of events...
I was late in from work yesterday and telephoned Chris Wright to inform him of this fact, that I'd be late to the venue - I quoted a time of 8.30-8.45...
Whilst en-route I received a message from Graham to say he was the only one there, then a subsequent message from Paul DaSilveria saying he was also there.
I had arranged to collect Tony Jackson from Southbridge Road, with Tony in the car we received a message from Paul saying if we were not there in five minutes they were going to claim the game, I dropped Tony at the venue before the 8.45 deadline and then proceeded to park the car.
So Terry is correct that Tony was in the building before 8.45, however when the time was next checked
(I presume by one of The Wizards) it was 8.46/8.47.
The fact remains - Chris Wright knew that I was running late, and could have, if he so wished (not that he had to of course, but in the name of sport) called me back at anytime to see if I was in the vicinity.
Once I had parked and made it into the venue Chris said "You told me you'd be here for 8.30", yes whilst I mentioned 8.30 in my conversation with him, he obviously missed the 8.30-8.45 bit!
I was told that it was Martin that had instigated the 'claiming' of the match at 8.38...??
I find the whole episode highly unsportsmanlike, I've played in this league for nearly 35 years on and off and have never witnessed anything like it.
I will, for what it's worth be making my representations to the league...
Edited by AndyT on 24-09-2015 03:22
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| mayweatherbrindle |
Posted on 24-09-2015 04:53
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So what this boils down to is that the wizards claimed the match unfairly and that the match started at a 5-0 if they wanted and needed the points that badly.mr halsey is right.i was looking at the time on his phone to see how long they had left.it was 8.43 I turned round a few seconds later and jacko was walking to the bar.so was in the venue.the committee need to look in to this and sort this out.but WITHOUT THE two involved ideally
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 24-09-2015 20:22
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Brooker, not sure that's correct. At the last AGM the issue of claiming games was discussed and the team that were being claimed against needed to leave the card blank for those claimed, as it would be extremely unfair that somebody in attendance was penalised where a person not there isn't. So the 193s would be entitled to start at 3-0 down and play any of the 3 players that formed the legal line up in frames 4 and 5, unless I misunderstood.
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| Viper |
Posted on 24-09-2015 20:33
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Your correct what your saying Paul but only if a minimum legal line-up is available at 8.45 and that is the dispute in question. |
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 24-09-2015 21:20
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Indeed, just Brooker thought that the fames 4 and 5 would be lost by default as 1-3 would be allocated against the three players there (or not there as the case may be).
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| Brooker |
Posted on 24-09-2015 23:06
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Cheers for clarifying that Shaggy, so makes the 193's even more hard done by if thay had 3 there by 8.45 then.
Even if was 8.46, it would still be extremely harsh to have the remaining 8 frames claimed against you for a matter of 60 seconds.
Alan from our team has arrived at 10pm to games after having been to see Palace play, every time the opposing team has allowed him to play both his second & first set games on arrival, when we only had 4 players before he arrived.
Sportsmanship does prevail most times in this league, & i believe it will continue to do so.
By the way
Result :- Yer Mum 6 - 5 Kings Dishers
Any other results, it's close at the top !! (Not for us obviously)
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| Viper |
Posted on 24-09-2015 23:54
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Someone contacted me today with an excellent idea to contact Rileys to check their CCTV tape from last tuesday from 8.40 - 8.50 to check Mr Jackson's arrival which should clear up the time of arrival. They are not picking up the phone so I have emailed them for confirmation of this. |
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| I C Cool |
Posted on 25-09-2015 01:48
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Div 3 has had at least 1 w/o win claimed this season! unsure of circumstances behind this w/o win though.
Some people pull the rules card when is suites them to gain an advantage or just to be bitchy.
I too have been playing in this league as a player/secretary for many many years with next to no problem with late attendance or re-arrangements being made and fulfilled by home or away teams/players.
It appears precedents have been set in motion with it only going to get more frequent as time goes on(sadly).
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| jacko |
Posted on 25-09-2015 03:39
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I personally believe that whatever the outcome in this matter maybe Chris n Martin should consider there position in our league as I'm pretty sure by everyone's outrage that self serving unsporting committee members are not what we are looking for,I believe they do not understand what our league is about n are setting a terrible example |
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| andye |
Posted on 25-09-2015 15:08
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Common sense should've come in to play here
I think the match should be replayed on presentation night
Then we can add some new trophies to the mix
Punctuality award for the 193s
Fair play award for the Wizards
And sports personality of the year to jacko |
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 25-09-2015 15:36
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A very brief poem....
CCTV
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Eight fourty three.
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| andye |
Posted on 25-09-2015 15:47
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That's assuming the cctv clock is correct! |
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| Viper |
Posted on 25-09-2015 17:49
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Shaggy wrote:
A very brief poem....
CCTV
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Eight fourty three.
and thats exactly the time that Rileys have confirmed back to me what time TJ entered the foyer. |
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