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| jacko |
Posted on 23-09-2015 06:50
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WOW waddon wizards what a fckin joke ,i like a lot of the lads but the guttless talentless prcks who claimed the game tonight fckin shame on you you fckin arshols ,you are a fckin embarrassment to the gentlemans summer league n our league...why do you come out on a tuesday if not to play competitive pool,so our 3rd player myself turns up 2 minutes late n like complete guttless cnts you claim the match,your excuse is we have work in the morning but we offer you the frames n the 1st set if need be but no no no you slimmy little cnts wanna take the walk over win relegating our side n actually losing us from croydon pool which as two soppy cnts who are committee members know its not in the leagues best interest but they put there own cowardness self serving sht first...did we not all turn up to play pool? but no the fcking useless cnts who cannot play pool decide they want the points,fcking complete useless talentless cnts...another shameful day in a dying league but don't worry martin n chris once the league drops down to two teams if you try hard you might win the runners up trophy you fcking mugs...p.s. i promised not to name names but high up people said rather then claim a walk over win you ought to say ima cnt,but i believe we should amend that to ima talentless guttless useless cnt , which would fit the bill in this case...shame on you you little slimmy two faced cnts :angel eace n luv yea baby yea
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| TheProf |
Posted on 23-09-2015 07:16
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Tonight was the straw that broke the camels back !
Just to let you guys all know that I am withdrawing from the Croydon Pool league after lots of enjoyable games and the odd controversy over the years, but I'm a principled bloke, and tonight was a controversy too far in the context of the current pool playing climate.
Good luck to you all with your pool playing. Hope to see you around.
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| jacko |
Posted on 23-09-2015 07:19
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p.s. sticking by the rules yea low life cnts iv lost frames/matches because others have not n our fckin leader as got it badly wrong,iv accepted peoples request to rearrange matches as its the done thing even if its bending the rules as such...if ever you want to postpone a match don't ask these cnts because as stated they are indeed cnts  shame on you you guttless shts |
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| jacko |
Posted on 23-09-2015 07:24
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When you get a gentleman like the Prof the German leaving our league you must question what cnts are running it,n tbh im like a gobby version of the Prof i morally believe in the right thing but to many arshols have no bottle n are happy just to get the win |
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| jacko |
Posted on 23-09-2015 16:14
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What has occurred to me is I find it strange how some of the Wizards rearranged singles n doubles matches last year,which is clearly against the league constitution n yet the claim the match last night using the same constitution... Hypocritical little scumbags springs to mind |
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| Greckos |
Posted on 23-09-2015 17:12
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I think it needs to be pointed out here that at 8.15 when the match was due to start, 193's only had 1 player there; by 8.30 I think it was, a second player had arrived - still not enough players to start the match as the minimum league requirement of 3 players weren’t present and named on the match card.
By 8.45, the 193’s still only had 2 players present and still not enough to start the match. The Wizards had a full team ready to play at 8.15 - how long were we supposed to wait?
As with any league/competition in whatever sport/game we’re talking about, rules are in place for a reason. If people expect to circumvent the rules, it makes a mockery of the constitution and it then becomes farcical; people/teams will just turn up as and when they feel like it.
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| jacko |
Posted on 23-09-2015 17:45
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We are talking about the match being claimed when it was made clear we were en route and our 3rd player arrived 2 minutes late,how dare you throw the constitution card in there when the same constitution says no matches shall be rearranged but we have allowed your guys to rearrange matches n as a general rule of sportsmanship many guys in our league have graciously allowed matches to be rescheduled... Don't be hypocritical it's a disgusting trait...wnkers wanted the points pure n simple n all your team made out that it weren't there idea but all turned a blind eye to such unsporting behaviour, evil flourishes when good men do nothing... Last night has tarnished the whole of your team n I hope no one ever shows you guys any sporting courtesy as you clearly do not abide by it yourself n therefore are undeserving of any, your a disgrace |
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| mayweatherbrindle |
Posted on 23-09-2015 18:27
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Actually jacko had just walked through the door a minute before 8.45 I know cos I was looking at the time with someone to see how long the 193s had and it was 8.43 then jacko walked in...yes rules are there for a reason but if that's the case and u feel so strongly about them then as jacko pointed out that singles and doubles should be played at the allocated time and place.if not then the game is forfeited.rules are rules which means your players have broke the RULES.it was pathetic and a joke last night.and 90+% agree with what you lot done was a joke.even your own team said so.whats that saying??? Yh with decisions like that no wonder this league is looking more and more likely to going under.ok 193s should of tried to rearrange the match.but knowing you lot you would of still claimed it.i think there was a problem with re arranging a match when I played for the small pots because someone wanted to stick to the RULES.this is meant to be a laugh and for a few frames of pool....I really hope that for some reason you have problems and can't field a team and some one decides to claim it instead of rearranging it...it's Un sportsman like.shame on the people who made that terrible decision
Im croydons no 1....even when i lose i win-NEIL HALL
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| qwerty |
Posted on 23-09-2015 18:57
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Well done to Martin/Chris for shaming your team last night You can play them rule book cards all day but what you seem to forget is 99 percent of the leagues Players come out to socialise and have a game of pool and it is that reason why 99percent of the league will be disgusted with your actions last night. Not only did you shame your team but you also forced one of the leagues great characters the german to retire due to disgust, And anyone that knows,the german will agree what a Great character and sportsman he is. I think the wizards should pulll out of the league and spend there tuesday evenings polishing Martin's and Chris's commitee members badges ..
Edited by qwerty on 23-09-2015 19:02
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| mayweatherbrindle |
Posted on 23-09-2015 19:34
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Lol...well said....but I'm sure they stand by there decision.and yh it will be a shame to lose any body that's thinking of going 8-/
Im croydons no 1....even when i lose i win-NEIL HALL
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| Knocky |
Posted on 23-09-2015 20:19
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Omg what a joke
Did no one phone to say rackpack were running late and was there a reason why they were late or where they taking the piss.
I personally agree games should start on time and if there is no valid reason why a team is late why shouldnt games be claimed as its your responsability to arive on time.
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| mayweatherbrindle |
Posted on 23-09-2015 21:15
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Marc Rowson was trying to contact as people were late getting out of work,car troubles etc.they had 3 players at 8.45 as jacko had literally just walked through the door.but they claimed it over a matter of seconds.its a joke
Im croydons no 1....even when i lose i win-NEIL HALL
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| mayweatherbrindle |
Posted on 23-09-2015 21:15
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Marc Rowson was trying to contact as people were late getting out of work,car troubles etc.they had 3 players at 8.45 as jacko had literally just walked through the door.but they claimed it over a matter of seconds.its a joke
Im croydons no 1....even when i lose i win-NEIL HALL
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| Spud |
Posted on 23-09-2015 22:58
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I'm not condoning the claiming of frames / matches...
It's not something I personally would do.
HOWEVER. . . . .
To simply try and add some counter balance to the debate, to play devils's advocate if you like....
There seems to be an argument that they managed to beat the ******* and had 3 players by 8:45 ("He was actually in the venue at 8:43"
The allocated start time to have AT LEAST 3 players by is 8:15....
So 8:43 / 8:45 matters not.... They're late... Well late.
Again, I am not condoning Claim Gate.... But the rules are rules are rules are rules.
Some people resort to claiming, but are they wrong, or do our rules need rewriting?
As for people quitting on the back of this... If you feel that strongly, why let the minority run you out of a game that you love and have passion for?
More still..... Why not run for a committee position, and have some influence on the rules and regs of what people can and can't do.
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| Brooker |
Posted on 23-09-2015 23:33
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I agree with you Spud, as the rules stand, the Wizards were well within their rights to claim the game, & as the comment said earlier, how long is a team expected to wait ?
Having said that, i think the Wizards are the only team in the league that would have claimed the game under those circumstances, & i think it was totally unsporting for them to do so, so can totally understand the frustration of the other team, as i would have felt exactly the same.
I also agree with you that, i would certainly not let one team influence me to leave the league, when all the other teams as far as i am aware always show true sportsmanship in these kind of situations. If the German leaves, he is just giving the Wizards (or some of their team members) exactly what they want.
Turn up on time next time and beat them, that's the best way to get back at them if that's what you want.
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| hoydy |
Posted on 23-09-2015 23:52
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I agree that the rules are the rules and ultimately the 193's should not have been late. I wasn't there last night so can't comment on what was said and who turned up when, but, as a 193 player I can say that I feel pretty hard done by to be kicked out of the league under rule 34 for not completing all of our fixtures. We had every ambition of fulfilling this fixture last night but circumstances meant that we were running late. We have now been kicked out of the league and Told to reform the squad as a new team in the bottom division.
My opinion is that this is too harsh a punishment to fit the crime (of being 30 or even 2 minutes late). The league and its management should be doing all in its power to protect and retain as many teams as possible, not encouraging them to split up. |
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| Pondlife |
Posted on 24-09-2015 00:24
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Whilst I agree that the rules are the rules, there would appear to be perfectly valid reasons for this unfortunate event. Where a team has to find somewhere to park in Croydon and then struggle up them bloody stairs, extra time should be allocated. Also when it comes to a player of Mr. Jackson's status, he has to acknowledge his fans and sign autographs when he arrives. More time should be allowed. It is not his fault that he is generally perceived as an icon in Croydon's pool history. This decision needs to be reviewed by the committee. Obviously both the Wizard committee members would need to disappear for the meeting. |
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| Brooker |
Posted on 24-09-2015 00:33
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Most people use the rules as a guide line but, never actually enforce them in these situations, i think rule 34 is really meant for a team not turning up at all, without any prior notice.
Now the Wizards have claimed this game, it means that rule applies to you but, i would imagine the league never really thought another team would claim a match because the other team were 20-30 minutes late when creating this rule.
A match can start at 8.15 & the first frame take 45 minutes, another match could start at 8.45 & the first frame take 15 minutes, in both matches the second frame would start at 9, so i don't see half an hour as that late personally. Most of us work, have to get trains home, eat dinner, shower & then get to the pool match, which is why 99% of the teams in the league allow for teams/players arriving a little late. Its basic sportsmanship, & to be fair to this league, i have played in it for over 30 years & sportsmanship prevails the huge majority of the time.
I think its really poor that the Wizards claimed the game & in doing so have forced a team/players out of an already dwindling league, the upside Hoydy is that if you do come back & start in the lowest division, you will probably only need one promotion to be back in the top division again.
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| Viper |
Posted on 24-09-2015 00:41
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After having a lengthy chat with Marc Rowson today it is the interpretation of a "walkover" that is in question and as such he will be raising this issue at the February general meeting.
47. Any team who fails to arrive and play in any one match during the season will be deemed as a New Team for the following season and will be automaticaly relegated to a 1 Division lower Division the following season should they re-apply for membership and a "Walkover Win" can be claimed by the opponents. |
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| Viper |
Posted on 24-09-2015 00:47
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This is what happened last night
30. If a Team arrives after 8.15pm or has insufficient players present to form a minimum legal line-up at this time, then 1 frame can be claimed for every 10 minutes late up until 8.45pm, and this must be claimed as of the order on the Result Card. This is subject to the discretion of the opposing Team Secretary and a sporting attitude should prevail. Players involved in later frames will be permitted to participate after 8.45pm but only if they are present at the venue by the time that their designated frame has been racked up and it is at the break stage. Failure upon this, will result in that/those frame/s being awarded to the opponents by default”. |
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