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Summer Lge, Main & Plate Semi's KO Matches
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| A King Disher |
Posted on 10-09-2009 07:56
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Hi Guys,
Comments to the following would be much appreciated before the semi's matches commence or better still before this evenings AGM. ( Short time, I know )
As I understand it, Semi finals in the team Knockout competitions whether it be main or plate are supposed to be played at neutral venue.
Why is it that this is not the case on this occassion ?
I'm not entirely sure who are the sponsers of the KO competions anymore, whether it be The Thomas Farley or The Hurricane Rooms or both in joint. But I only see The Hurricane Rooms posted on mail shots as a sponsor.
This is my question,
Why are the Farley Eden playing their semi final at their home venue ?
And why are The Untouchables playing their Plate semi final at their home venue ?
Does'nt sound very fair to me. Not from a skill play point of view but from a neutral venue point of view.
Simple to resolve. Both venues are next door to each other, so simly swap it around or take it to a venue out of Thorton Heath where neither of the teams play out of.
What would you guys think ? Or should I just shut my mouth and leave it be as it is ?
Might be good for some of the veues that have been a part of the League for many many years but never see anything coming to them.
I shall look out anxiously for your posts. |
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| JamieMc |
Posted on 10-09-2009 14:23
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Do I think we should swap, yes! Do I want to swap? Not fussed, we played from the farley for the last few seasons and know the tables well  if I were the better halves or the untouchables opponent then a swap would be the sensible outcome. Don't really give a flying either way, roll on Monday |
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| The_Saxtonator |
Posted on 10-09-2009 14:39
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The competitions are played the sponsor's venue. IC Cool sponsor the knockout cup to be played from the Farley. Hurricane Room sponsor the knockout cup plate to be played from the Hurricane room
The matches can be made neutral by the Farley Eden playing on one of the side tables in the Farley, as the middle table is their home table
Likewise the table furthest from the bar can be used by the Untouchables for the plate semi final - they normally use the table closest to the bar.
A semi final or final cannot be moved to a different venue just because a team who gets to the final rounds plays from there, as it would not be fair on the sponsorship deals
Other venues are welcome to apply to sponsor competitions which would then allow later rounds of their competition to be played at their venue
Edited by The_Saxtonator on 10-09-2009 14:49 |
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| JamieMc |
Posted on 10-09-2009 15:10
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thanks for clearing up Paul. |
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| A King Disher |
Posted on 10-09-2009 15:32
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Fully understood now Paul. Thanks for that mate.
Yep, roll on Monday and let the fun begin.
" We're init ta winit and refuse ta loos " |
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| A King Disher |
Posted on 10-09-2009 15:37
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Fully understood now Paul. Thanks for that mate.
Yep, roll on Monday and let the fun begin.
" We're init ta winit and refuse ta loos " |
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| Top Side |
Posted on 10-09-2009 15:42
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I don't really give a monkeys but I do think its a valid point.
I admit I don't know anything about sponsorships but from the previous post:
"IC Cool sponsor the knockout cup to be played from the Farley. Hurricane Room sponsor the knockout cup plate to be played from the Hurricane room"
If you swapped the semis around in both the main and plate comps then each semi final would still be played in the Farley and Hurricane rooms respectively so I can't see what difference it makes; both venues would still have 2 teams playing there on Monday.
Or am I missing something? |
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 10-09-2009 18:49
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Since sponsership came in it has always been at the venue of the sponsers choice. However it was all fine and groovy when playing best of 7 etc etc. When the Eagles were from the Farley it wasn;t an advantage to play there as we were simply allocated a table that we didnt play on. The same went with Frames.
Playing two semi finals on one venue with 3 tables makes not a lot off sense to me. I would prefer it even if at one venue that one match was played on a Monday and one on a Wednesday.
If both semis went to 21 frames we wont be rolling out of the Farley til 4 in the morning.
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| Top Side |
Posted on 10-09-2009 19:37
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Ignore my previous post. I've just realised that both knock out cup semis are at the Farley. I was under the impression one was at the Farley and the other one was at Hurricane rooms (which would have made more sense to me from a time point of view), as Shaggy above mentions |
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| A King Disher |
Posted on 11-09-2009 07:34
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No ....
Top Side you are absolutely correct in you first post and Shaggy is wrong.
Untouchables are playing their semi final Plate against The Maple Tree in their home venue, The Hurricane rooms.
Farley Eden are playing their main semi final in their home venue, The Thomas Farley.
Yep ... Switch it around which is what I was suggesting and it would not be a finacial deficit to any venue whatsoever. But it may be to the Farley having all thier teams at the hurricane supprting the Eden. But oh no, it's all about the money sponsors and not those who have been contributing to the Croydon League for years. I for one have been in this League for double figures and have seen and learned much.
As mentioned tonight at the AGM and many AGM's gone by, the Croydon League is becoming smaller.
I wonder why that may be ? And it's not just because of Pubs closing when we have places like Riley's and other outlets offering such excitable deals for the teams to join them.
It was my intention to bring this into question at tonights Agm and ask the floor of their opinion but what would have been the point when it was a micky mouse meeting as was the last and nothing could be set in concrete apart from the stop watch issue.
It was clear to me if not all of us that not even the commitee were afluent with the Constitution with regard to our buddies, The Beech Tree & The Waddon Wizards.
A few questions to Mr. Saxonator before match commences and in reference to his reply earlier this morning.
As the visiting team to a knock out competition on neutral venue to face our competitors who are playing from their home venue,
1. Will we be allowed pre-match table time ?
2. Will we have choice of table ?
3.Will it be as per usual that the home Team fill out the score card before the visiting Team ?
Or are we going to treat this as if it were a neutral venue condition ?
Nevertheless and taking all into consideration,
We're init ta win it and refuse ta loos .
Also, I've heard that the Farley tables have more rolls than Greg's the baker and The Duke of York is never to be seen.
I guess after all this, it's show time so Lets Bring In The Passion The Better Halfs.
Taken the best, now lets take the rest.
Posts, comments and banter will be much appreciated.
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| The_Saxtonator |
Posted on 11-09-2009 08:33
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The matches are neutral
Practice time will be down to the teams to organise
Just out of interest, Steve, I notice several comments in your posts about teams playing from their home venue, even though I clearly stated earlier that in your case the Eden A can play on either side table to make it neutral, how would propose dealing with this situation in a larger venue such as Rileys?
You seem to have an objection to a team playing from the venue that the sponsor requests they play from if that team normally plays from there.
So if we take that further, when Rileys have sponsored the league in the past a lot of teams play from there and have reached the final stages of their competitions. Using your theory above, i.e. "competitors who are playing from their home venue should not be allowed to play the final stages of a competition there as well", then the following teams would not be able to play in the final stages of a competition at Rileys because they would be in their home venue, even though in all the time I have reffed matches, they have not been played on the team's home table
Propellor
Eagles
Foreign Legion
Pond Qs
Suzies Floozies
Imperials
Unpredictables
Goodfellas
SAS
The Rack Pack
So in the above situation how would you suggest resolving this?
What about if the Eagles drew the Propellor? They both play from Rileys, I assume then that you would be suggesting the matches be played at a different venue
We could even take this further (theortical but possible, and assuming that Rileys are sponsoring the competitions at the time, again possible)
Example 1:
What about this situation occuring in the Knock Out Cup Semi Finals (plate and main comp)?
Main Comp
Propellor vs Eagles
Unpredictables vs Foreign Legion
Plate
Goodfellas vs Imperials
Pond Qs vs Foreign Legion
Example 2:
On a smaller scale, lets take the league cup semi final stages:
Propellor vs Eagles
Unpredictables vs Foreign Legion
Using your logic, even though Rileys would have paid sponsorship they are now not allowed to get any benefit from that sponsorship because their own teams have qualified and so they must play from another venue the other venue will then get all the benefits even though they have not contributed in sponsorship.
Yes the league is sponsorship driven, we need to get money from somewhere. Teams make valuable contributions, but additional money is still useful for trophies etc.
It is very easy to say that venues that have contributed over the years, of which there are many, have been left out of final stages of competitions. However, several venues have initially been left out until they then decided that they would get involved and appreciating the extra revenue that would be obtained from more custom, sponsored a competition.
If the league allowed the finals of competitions to be played at any venue, then there would be no point in sponsoring competitions, which would then lead to the league struggling to finance the trophies and other running costs.
It seems as though you are suggesting that if a venue has been in the league for many years, that it should automatically host the final stages of a competition without sponsorship being required, just because of this fact.
As you have been in this league for "double figures" I would be very interested in your views for improving the league, as I am sure many other people would be. You have been in the league for many more years than me, I joined in March 2005.
Perhaps as you have so many ideas you should consider standing for the committee as well? |
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| JamieMc |
Posted on 11-09-2009 14:48
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The bottom line is the venue is selected by the sponsor, end of. In terms of it being neutral, yes in every way; as mentioned above as long as the farley dont play on the middle table it will be. As for the card each team will be asked to submit your line ups to the league adjudictor so no preference their either.
It really is impossible to simply swap the venues as in the plate you have the untouchbles and patriots playing at their home venue but the patriots opponents are the Farley loyalists...further added into the mix is that both the untouchables and patriots have previously called the farley their home. Over in the real semi-finals we used to play from the farley, as did a few of the rack pack for the eagles.....best left as it is
As for the tables, they are fast and true...fact. simply turn up and dish the eden, they are wilting big time......
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| A King Disher |
Posted on 11-09-2009 15:46
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Only has a team mate Paul.
I could never handle the positions of you guys up there and niether do I have the time to do it.
Ok, thats all settled now. I'm justified and fully understand everything that has been said. Thats's all that I was really after in the first instance.
May I request the match to be played on the table on the left as viewed from the stair well ?
So now I guess it's time to concentrate on the match to hand.
Good luck to the Eden. |
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| Faz Da Fisher |
Posted on 11-09-2009 20:58
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oh dear you Never know what will crawl from underneath the wood work
Until their team gets to a semi full of uneducated no marks who have more
Time to argue about sponsorship than get on with the task in hand let's be fair after Monday this thread will seem like a distant dream the better halfs have been bashed up by the Eden all year in the Croydon open in the doubles. So you want banter this ties all over by the fukcing hand shake see you Monday lads where is it again... Oh yea were at home :fishing:
I think I got a bite ... And it's a big one |
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| A King Disher |
Posted on 12-09-2009 09:32
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Last post on this subject because it's boring me to death.
Who the hell is Faz Da Fisher ?
Guess you're taking it a bit personal and to describe people unknown to you as uneducated is a little below the belt.
I would suggest that you read back upon your post and see if you can make any grammatical sense of your own input.
Check your spelling and punctuation.
Yes ... lets get on with the task to hand and lets have the Gentleman's hand shake. The rest can follow upon the outcome.
Oh and yes, I remember now, we're coming to The Thomas Farley.
Lets have fun and lets see who talks the walk and who walks the talk.
See you Monday guys. |
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| terror tower |
Posted on 13-09-2009 04:06
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to be honest i think its a bit of a joke it doesnt matter if they dont play on there match table they no all the tables der so its a joke. |
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| A King Disher |
Posted on 14-09-2009 06:26
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Thank you Terror Tower who ever you may be.
If you are able to make it there late this evening, I'm sure you'll be in for a few rolls and if you get pissed enough, I hope they will excuse you for the broken dish .
GAME ON. |
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| Faz Da Fisher |
Posted on 14-09-2009 14:50
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Lol
I think I got a bite ... And it's a big one |
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| JamieMc |
Posted on 15-09-2009 06:35
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rack pack 11* - 10 Oakie Cokies, lost on the play off 2-0, Battled well and rue our chances in the middle of the match. Well played the rack pack who will meet the Better Halfs in the final who dished a somewhat subdued Eden. |
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| Mr C |
Posted on 15-09-2009 07:12
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Farley Eden 8 Better Halfs 11
I would just like to say well played to the teams in the semi-finals, On behalf of my team mates i would like to apologise for the level of noise we brought to the farley and i hope we never put you guys off at any time.
Yes uneducated was not the words to be using faz da fisher so i think you need to review your last post and this thread is now a distant memory only for the farley eden and reality for the better halfs as we are in the finals i think the pool did the talking for the better half's on the night as we had no point to prove and we are happy to get as far as we have being the lowest divison team still remaining in the fight for the knock out cup.
We are looking forward to playing in the finals the fight continues see you soon guys
I GOT BIT....! AND IT'S A GNAT BITE
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