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60 Second Rule !
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 12-02-2009 19:49
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Excellent outcome at the Half-season AGM last night, with the 60 second rule being voted in, for a Summer Season Trial, by a majority of 19/7.
There'll undoubtedly be some teething issues while people get used to the concept, although I'm sure it'll go smoothly for the vast majority. As has been said many times before, 1 minute is a long time to play a shot and a lot longer than most people ever need, so it won't even affect most people most of the time. It's the slower players that the rule was designed to expedite and anyone who's played against my team will know we have one of the worst offenders (I'm not going to name Rob 'The Cat' Cogar personally - oops too late). |
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| Sass |
Posted on 12-02-2009 21:11
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I would have opposed this. It's supposed to be fun after all and this will just cause rows. |
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| longshanks |
Posted on 12-02-2009 21:57
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I forgot about meeting. Terrible decision in my view, there is no place for stopwatches in a social league. |
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 12-02-2009 22:10
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longshanks wrote:
There is no place for stopwatches in a social league.
You wouldn't say that if you were playing Rob. At the moment, we time him with a calender! |
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| miq |
Posted on 12-02-2009 22:30
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I agree with Longshanks, stupid rule for this level of pool. |
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| longshanks |
Posted on 12-02-2009 22:51
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How will it work? Will there be a timer plus ref for each game? |
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 13-02-2009 00:11
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longshanks wrote:
How will it work? Will there be a timer plus ref for each game?
With Interleague, the Home team keeps time, as well as reffing and the Away team ref.
As it's a trial for the Summer, it'll probably work best if both teams have a ref and seperate timer to avoid any problems with people missing stuff they should have been watching on the table while they're fixated on watching the stopwatch.
Don't see how people think it'll be the cause of arguments really. It's in the rules and it's not hard to do. Take more than 60 seconds, it's a foul. No argument there. |
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| longshanks |
Posted on 13-02-2009 04:55
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It's not so much the arguments, it's that in most games the refs don't pay a great deal of attention unless asked to decide on a total snooker etc, If you're timing games you will have to be a lot more focused on the game. For most players it's a social night out and you dont want to spend it looking at a stopwatch.
Having said that, it's been voted in and it is a trial., so we will have to see how it goes. Other leagues in Surrey have timing as optional, presumably agreed between captains/secretaries. Some players should perhaps always be on the clock. |
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| the-shark |
Posted on 13-02-2009 18:05
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so when exactly do you start the clock from? ie when the balls from the previous shot have stopped or what?
we may need a bigger boat..! |
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| Pondlife |
Posted on 13-02-2009 18:20
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Apparently that is the rule. The clock starts as soon as the balls have come to rest from the previous visit. If the oncoming player isn't around,it could cause a problem. Players have to be constantly aware of the need to ask for a time-out for any occasion that they will be unable to complete their visit within the proscribed time limit. In some of our matches,towards the latter part of the evening,some of our players have trouble finding the table,let alone having to worry about the time restrictions It is supposed to be a social event,isn't it ? |
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| JugglingSpence |
Posted on 13-02-2009 18:33
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I think it might be a good idea if it is optional but if not then it would be a bit much for a PUB LEAGUE. I think it is unnecessary but if it was voted in by a majority then it here.
Just out of interest, how many secretaries speak with their teams about proposals before they go to the AGM? By the look of this thread I don't think it is too many...
Also, how many time-outs do you get?
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| miq |
Posted on 13-02-2009 19:14
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This is why this is a stupid rule for this league. I agree with the inclusion of the rule from Interleague and above, I'd be amazed if this runs smoothly and all teams adhere to it.
In Interleague, the time is re-set immediately after the shot has been played, the timer has to give an audiable 30 second warning and timeouts are allowed if the player can't physically play the shot, say if someone is already playing a shot on an adjorning table. The player has to call out 'timeout' and the timer has to call out 'time running' when the player is in a position to play it, probably not an issue in a single table pub but I can imagine the fun to be had on an average night in Suzy Q's.
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| the-shark |
Posted on 13-02-2009 19:37
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mmm thought tues was a sociable event to until you get secratarys trying to claim frames just because a player turns up late because of work commitments! 
we may need a bigger boat..! |
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| Pondlife |
Posted on 13-02-2009 19:38
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I must say that I was sceptical about the world rules when they were introduced. With the benefit of hindsight I can see that I was right to be concerned. They are a charter for cheats and now we are going to have the additional benefit of being able to cheat faster. It is probably going to be one more nail in the Croydon pool league coffin. The excuse for introducing the time constraints was that they are part of the world rules. That says it all. As I've said before these rules are played in England and Australia-nowhere else !! The next natural progression will be complaints from publicans who watch pool teams disappearing just after 9. We could then perhaps arrange a darts competition after every pool match to make us stay out longer. And they call it progress !!  |
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| longshanks |
Posted on 13-02-2009 19:40
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Oi Shark - stop stirring!!
I did canvass the views of our team, but unfortunately couldn't attend the meeting to register our vote against it. The vote was won fairly comfortably though. |
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| Pondlife |
Posted on 13-02-2009 19:55
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Shark,I have never known a player to turn up after 10 o'clock to play one game of pool. Your man explained to me that he worked for a bookmakers and that there had been evening racing. It later transpired that he had a doubles match to play. He obviously deliberately arrived that late because he knew that his doubles could not start until the team events had finished . I really cannot believe that this frivolous attitude is allowed within the league rules. He will certainly need to speed things up when the timing rules are introduced. By the way,once I had established that it was legal for him to play,the game went ahead even though your player was happy to concede . We must abide by the rules at all times,even if they're designed by idiots !! |
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| longshanks |
Posted on 13-02-2009 20:17
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That's not the case Pat so get your facts right. We only had five available players, including Dave. Dave texted me earlier in the day to say that someone had gone sick at work and he would have to cover them, which meant he would not be there till 9.30. He later texted me to say he might not be there till nearer 10.00. The fact is that he was there well before the last frame was played and we had already conceded the 5th game. Personally I wouldn't care what the rules said, I would rather see a game played than claimed and I know that your team agreed with me.
To quote you from your earlier post, "it's supposed to be a social event isn't it?"
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| andye |
Posted on 13-02-2009 20:28
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i must admit i think it's uneccessary to bring in this rule, it's not like everyone is on here moaning about every match taking too long...
they'll be people bending these rules and there will be rows...
is the rule optional?
it needs to be as some teams/players don't need it and it's a pain to police
but then on the other hand will cause friction when the stopwatch is brought out... so you can't win either way!!!
i think it takes the tension away from matches which is part of what we all like...
this hasn't been thought through enough...
in a noisy pub what happens if you don't hear properly?
if someone shouts '30 seconds' on your backswing and you miss the pot (trust me this will happen)?
i could go on...
and pondlife, i wouldn't moan too much about it yourself as it's probably some of your team that have caused people to want it!!
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| Spud |
Posted on 13-02-2009 20:54
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It's only a handful of people in the hundreds that play in our league that are consistently slow, so the timing rule is aimed at a minority, but will now affect the majority.
Eagles / Prop on tuesday was a very tense affair at times, as should be with a top of the table clash, and I'm sure several playeres exceeded 60 seconds shot time, but the occasion warrented it.
At Interleague & County level, it's a far more serious standard, you know what you're getting when you sign on.
At local level, as already touched on, it's a socialble night out, an I think it's too harsh a rule, which will simply convince people (Already deserting pubs & clubs in their droves) into staying indoors.
With regards to the world rules being a bad thing, I think the subscription of teams would have been the same regardless of the rules, in fact the CDPL, had it stayed old rules, would already be defunct, as teams would have left to form a world rules league.
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| andye |
Posted on 13-02-2009 21:59
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steve davis (and others) was interviewed during the masters about ronnies want to razzle dazzle the game...
a stop clock was mentioned as with the premier league and got the response 'there was no time limit in the 1985 final but it didn't stop millions of people tuning in' etc, etc.
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