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| Shaggy |
Posted on 05-08-2008 18:37
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The Godalming league decide on a frame by frame basis who is playing next. At the end of a frame you pick, I dont see why all this kerfuffle is going on. You cant get simpler than that.
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| ThePower |
Posted on 05-08-2008 18:38
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I think the Eagles have got a bit nervy about the demise of the 'bonus points system', by trying to sneak in a new type of bonus system....
Its called 'letting our best players play 1&2, oh and 3&4, oh and for good measure 5&6'.....
That will fuck you all up and we'll win the league by Guy Fawkes night.. |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 18:39
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Lils wrote:
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Which is what I said some months ago. You are actually be restricting the flexibility of teams selection options that turn up with more than 5 players. Hows that fair?
How so? Right now with the seven frame format that the League is due to return to, you could only play 7 of your players full stop, even though many teams had more than this turning up.
At least this way you have the flexability of playing between 5 and 10! How is that UNfair?
Because you as a captain cannot make an informed decision on who you want to play again based upon their actual performance that week.
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Posted on 05-08-2008 18:41
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I'd go with two sets of 5 and players are not allowed to play twice in one set. I don't think that is too inflexible. It wouldn't stop Nuttmeg picking his first seven players as in Spud's example, although it would stop 6 and 7 playing twice. If a player turns up late or leaves early then they can only play one game. |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 18:45
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Surely as a Captain you would know who your strongest 5 players are and who you might want to play 2 frames if you got the chance? You put those 5 players in. If one or two of them are rubbish that particular week or you want to use a fair system, you can chop and change if you have the players to allow this.
Before, you could only play 7 players, not knowing how they were performing that week, so how can you say that being able to see how 5 of your team are playing can be a bad thing?
Without trying to section out individuals, there were times in certain 'high profile' teams last year where the team was short and had no choice than to play players who were clearly well below par. These frames were invariably lost and could have been a massive difference as to who won what. In this format, you have a choice.
Maybe I just don't understand what you are getting at, because I really don't see it. I'm clearly still not recovered from my hospital ordeal! |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 18:47
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No and you couldnt play two frames under the old format so whats you point?
The fact is that things have changed and I believe the changes cant only change for the benefit of players with 5 players and as such no choice needs to be made.
Clearly I am in the minority in this, so thats cool.
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Posted on 05-08-2008 18:48
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Dogger wrote:
Spud wrote:
1. Kyle Win
2. Shaggy Win
3. Wiggy Win Break & Dish
4. Sean Lost
5. Steve Lost
6. Jake Win Break & Dish
7. Hughie Break & Dish
Tony then rewards his three players he feels deserve another frame, in this example with the three lads that B&D.
You couldn't use this as an example anyway as you have to pick the entire 2nd set after the 5th game, not 7 then pick the final 3 after frame 7?
Equally wouldn't work because Jake and Hughie can't play a 2nd frame anyway at 6 & 7. By putting them there they will only get one frame no matter how well they do. |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 18:54
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But it's NOT just for the benefit of the smalled squads!!
FFS, Tony Nuttman believes this format to be good because he can now give everyone who turns up a game, plus possibly reward the players that are playing well on that night with an extra frame! How can the changes be for the benefit of smaller squads? If Tony WANTS to play his chosen 7 players in the same way as was all he could do last year, then he can. Then he gets the added bonus of being able to play 3 of his first 5 again - how's his luck?!
Don't tell me that any team has more than 5 players who are better than the other members in their team. You can either play it fair and give everyone a game or simply play the minimum. In the format of 10 frames as you're suggesting, it's not stopping people playing their strongest 5 twice, so how's your point of the 2 x 5 frames being more to suit the smaller squad valid?
n.b. I don't actually CARE how the Secretaries vote, as it doesn't affect me in the slightest! I just don't see how 10 frames makes it fairer. |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 18:55
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Lils,
The rules as they are proposed mean that if you have a team of 7, two players irrespective of their ability cannot physically be picked for two frames, as they are in theory are 2 players that can play once from 6-10.
Before you see these all your players play that week, you need to make decisions on who you will drop. In reality that player who you havent seen can clear up in frame 6 and play the bext frame of all time, but he cant play twice.
I think to cater for teams of all sizes, then you should be able to play all of the players available for selection, and then be able to pick the best say 2-3-4 performers based upon what you have seen, not based upon your ability see into the future.
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Posted on 05-08-2008 18:59
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Shaggy wrote:
No and you couldnt play two frames under the old format so whats you point?
The format was changed for more pool to be possible. If Tony wanted the possiblilty of Jake and Hughie (in Seans post) of being able to play twice, he should have put them in the top 5. With a large squad, if you're going to be fair and play everyone once, then some players are going to miss out on 2 frames on certain weeks. So i'm sure Tony would work it out on a kind of rota basis as he'd have to even if a 10 frame, rather than 2x5 frame format was adopted.
Like I said, it doesn't affect me; i'll be long gone by then. So my input is, in theory, unimportant. I'll say no more. |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 18:59
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I think it's a clever and cunning ploy by the Eagles to disguise the re-introduction of the bonus points system.... |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 19:03
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned too much lately . . The whole situation regarding a draw and the fact that there has to be a winner?!
Why?
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Posted on 05-08-2008 19:09
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There doesn't. Some games deserve to be drawn. If you can't earn a win over 10 frames, then why shouldn't the points be shared?
No bonus points is the way forward. As has been said, a win gives you at least a 2 frame advantage over your opponents.
No need, apart from testosterone-fuelled players who need to say they won. |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 19:10
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ThePower wrote:
I think it's a clever and cunning ploy by the Eagles to disguise the re-introduction of the bonus points system....
Id be suprised if many Winter Championships have been decided by bonus points, so it doesnt bother me in the slightest whether they are there or not.
For every 6-4 win when you are losing 2 points, you have a 6-4 loss when you are in real terms gaining two points. No probs either way.
I just dont see the need to upset your team by setting up rotas as Lil mentions quite validly. People feel comfortable playing in certain places, and it will certainly disrupt us if everybody in our team asked to play in the top 5 because thats the only way that would get two frames.
I probably only feel like this because we have 7-8 people that have similar ability. For teams with 3 good players and 4 shitters like the Eden its pretty much a no brainer!
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Posted on 05-08-2008 19:10
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Maybe at 5-5 we could all have a game of 'penny up the wall' to determine a winner? |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 19:10
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Lils wrote:
No need, apart from testosterone-fuelled players who need to say they won.
I notice you didn't say testosterone-fuelled men  |
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Posted on 05-08-2008 19:12
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Posted on 05-08-2008 19:24
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Shaggy wrote:
ThePower wrote:
I think it's a clever and cunning ploy by the Eagles to disguise the re-introduction of the bonus points system....
I probably only feel like this because we have 7-8 people that have similar ability. For teams with 3 good players and 4 shitters like the Eden its pretty much a no brainer!
Amazing how one of those 4 shitters always seem to beat you. Seeing your name on the Eagles card is a breath of fresh air to the Eden...
Anyway Shaggy, USPGA.....are we on for our bet? Whats the rules again. |
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 05-08-2008 19:28
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Its a team game Alex, other than you I always play a good player!
I think we said no players between 1-16 one between 17-32 and any three others. Id add to that players that havent won a major and we are good to go.
Where is it being held?
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Posted on 05-08-2008 19:29
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Ah . . That reminds me . .
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