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| Sass |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:05
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ThePower wrote:
Are you Rod's number one fan or something??!! 
No I'd raise this if someone did this to anyone. Nice attempt at sidestepping the issue.
I think I said Rod would not want to win it by 'default'. At no time has Rod stated, as far as I am aware, that he wanted a play-off?
Well he doesn't use the site so he's hardly likely to on here!! I spoke to Rod on Saturday about the Rankings and he said he thought it was mad that they could be tied and a shared trophy awarded. I would assume his thoughts would be the same of the Divisional Singles. He may not have wanted to win it by default by virtue of the fact the other 2 saying they wouldn't play he didn't exactly get a choice!
Two players were able to come on here to voice their approval to share the title before speaking to Rod which maybe was regrettable because it would put Rod in a no win position. As Mark Halsey said, if Rod wanted to turn up then it was his to win. Fairplay to Rod for agreeing that was of no interest to him and for the sake of the competition was not the best thing to do.
That is all you needed to say. It just looks to an outsider that 2 of players have got together and stated that they won't play off so the 3rd player is forced to agree.
I don't agree with carving up titles. Carving up money is fine - but the title should always be played for. The 2005 Croydon Open was carved up (Breen & Altes) but the match was played for the title. |
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| longshanks |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:10
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BigJake wrote:
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You're arguing with yourself Jake.
No I'm presenting a balanced argument, there is an almost polar difference.
Funny thing longshanks. I was out yesterday and a friend remarked that every time I post you seem to post immediatly after, as if you're waiting on my every word. I hadn't noticed it at the time. But now with this latest post I couldn't help but laugh to myself as his point in hand seems to have been proved.
Thanks for the obvious interest in me darling 
But you really should be saving your energies for our match...
Because you always post things that I feel are worth comenting on. That isn't a compliment. |
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| BigJake |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:12
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Wow that took you 6 minutes you're slipping!
OMG CLASSIC. 
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| longshanks |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:13
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Sass wrote:
ThePower wrote:
Are you Rod's number one fan or something??!!
No I'd raise this if someone did this to anyone. Nice attempt at sidestepping the issue.
I think I said Rod would not want to win it by 'default'. At no time has Rod stated, as far as I am aware, that he wanted a play-off?
Well he doesn't use the site so he's hardly likely to on here!! I spoke to Rod on Saturday about the Rankings and he said he thought it was mad that they could be tied and a shared trophy awarded. I would assume his thoughts would be the same of the Divisional Singles. He may not have wanted to win it by default by virtue of the fact the other 2 saying they wouldn't play he didn't exactly get a choice!
Two players were able to come on here to voice their approval to share the title before speaking to Rod which maybe was regrettable because it would put Rod in a no win position. As Mark Halsey said, if Rod wanted to turn up then it was his to win. Fairplay to Rod for agreeing that was of no interest to him and for the sake of the competition was not the best thing to do.
That is all you needed to say. It just looks to an outsider that 2 of players have got together and stated that they won't play off so the 3rd player is forced to agree.
I don't agree with carving up titles. Carving up money is fine - but the title should always be played for. The 2005 Croydon Open was carved up (Breen & Altes) but the match was played for the title.
Is there a possibility that the rankings could be tied this year? |
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| Viper |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:19
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longshanks wrote:
I think Shaggy's right but last year in Div 2 we didn't get a choice about sharing it, we were told it was a three man play-off. I cannot recall you approaching me last season as I have been this season by the players involved. The whole issue of Joint Trophies will need to be discussed at the AGM for clarification purposes cos what happens if 5, 6, 7 etc etc etc winners become apparent at some stage. |
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| Golden |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:22
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Yep . . If I win the Singles Final the Rankings is a tie . . I'll melt up against Mark anyway so this whole concersation is a bit pointless anyway 
I'm not sure why everyone is getting so heat up about it anyway . .
. . the only reason I would want to share it is because I can wind Rod up about it . .
. . and before people start getting excited and running back to him with that little pearler, he already knows this so no need for a boner. |
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:24
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I dont agree with Sass on this one.. The difference is that the Croydon Openis an individual Knock out tournament, and therefore needs to be played to determine the champion.
The Divisional Singles is a competition to see who wins the most games over 22 matches.... (and not necessarily 23 if theres a tie).
And the Rankings is a competition over a fixed distance involving a series of events. As you are of the opinion that a unprecidented play off should occur, I am sure Danny would have just as much right to make up a rule that. 'If the Ranking List is level the person that went the furthest in the singles would prevail' (and of course Rod could say that about the doubles).
The bottom line is people are entitled to their opinion, but ultimately the decision about what should occur, should be made by Mark/Commitee/Constituation.
As soon as you start asking players there opinion selfishness always raises its head.
And anyway, Dany still needs to win the singles final or all this is compltely irrelevant.
Edited by Shaggy on 14-05-2008 18:26
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| Golden |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:28
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I could piss and whinge about the fact that I didn't play in 4 ranking point eligible events this year (more than the others concerned) gives me a better win percentage for my points than the others but that's hardly in the spirit of the game is it  |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:29
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Sass wrote:
That is all you needed to say. It just looks to an outsider that 2 of players have got together and stated that they won't play off so the 3rd player is forced to agree.
They did, thats maybe the point I forgot to mention.
A gentlemans agreement was made after week 21 by Danny and Scott that in the event of the draw they would share it. At that point, Rod had two ?? unaccounted for and correct me if I'm wrong but those two ?? remained unaccounted for at the close of the competition giving Rod less wins than the winners. At that point, someone from the Hot Shots thought it would be worthwhile after 6 months had elapsed to mention to Mark that those ?? were indeed wins for Rod.
So at that juncture, Mark agreed to accept those wins and it became a three way tie.
Two players had all ready agreed to split it as they had for a long while quite rightly thought it was only ever a two horse race between them both. So you see, the carve up agreement and scenario happened long before Rod dropped into the equation and certainly isn't being used to make Rod look bad or to force him into a position where he would have to accept it as a carve up.
All things considered, a carve up is fitting closure to the matter.
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| longshanks |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:30
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The rankings system is a fairly complicated scoring system that includes every competition. For it to finish level is pretty unusual and I can't see much justification for having a play-off. It should be shared. |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:41
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Golden wrote:
I could piss and whinge about the fact that I didn't play in 4 ranking point eligible events this year (more than the others concerned) gives me a better win percentage for my points than the others but that's hardly in the spirit of the game is it
Didn't you get dropped for those 4 games by Sir Tony Nuttman! |
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:54
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He didnt turn up for one game, and we won it 7-0, so he missed the next. Wouldn't imagine Daniel would expect any less. Thats why he isn't pissing and whinging. 
Edited by Shaggy on 14-05-2008 18:54
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 14-05-2008 18:58
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Should get kicked out of the running for lack of committment then 
The Coney: The Home of Bread and Butter pool since 1999 |
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| berty |
Posted on 14-05-2008 19:08
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I have a 20p of Daz Ultra Family pack voucher.
Will cost you 10p ono contact berty via pm if interested.
Am I on the correct thread?
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| buntycollocks |
Posted on 14-05-2008 21:20
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lets face it ffs
i know it
u know it
we all know it
rod would slap em both up anyway
so its best they share
scott can retire from croydon pool league with a shaggy dead heat
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Edited by buntycollocks on 14-05-2008 21:22
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| Golden |
Posted on 14-05-2008 21:27
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I'm we waited nearly a month for such a well constructed and thought out post from you Cliff  |
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| Sass |
Posted on 14-05-2008 21:28
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Welcome back Cliffy |
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| Teach |
Posted on 17-05-2008 16:45
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I think most of this argument is my fault! If I hadn't of missed a straight black against Rod in the final league game, then there would only be two players tied!!
Sorry everyone!!  |
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| andye |
Posted on 18-05-2008 03:02
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as usual cliff don't 'alf come out with some ol' pony...
how can you slap someone up in a best of 1 framer???... moby...!!!
shaggy and the power (grrr) hit the nail on the head... if it's a dead heat it's a dead heat...
they'll all finished top and should get rewarded for that, not spend 22+ weeks of hard graft to lose it over 1 frame
if anything there should be a deciding factor, i.e. head to head result or singles points then doubles or who got the points first etc... but never a playoff.
as for the idea of different points per playing position... ridiculous as it totally depends on other factors like the current score and situation etc
some say playing 1 or 2 is the toughest... not so when your frame is to win or lose...
personally i don't see why doubles is included... the k.o. cup isn't and they're both team games... |
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| Pondlife |
Posted on 20-05-2008 16:23
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I see that Scott,Danny and Rod have been declared joint winners of the divisional singles. I wonder which one will be the happiest with the joint !!  |
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