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Cue-Balls with spots!!
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 22-06-2008 22:31
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Coneycueist wrote:
So to be 'fair' to all opponents, they all have to use it? Surely that implies you would be given some an unfair advantage if they don't have to use it and therefore it is an advantage to those who are used to it and practice with it?
Ok, to remain 'consistent'.
As for the advantage part, that's no different to any home team who practice on their home table and then expect the away team to play on it without knowing all its rolls etc.
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 22-06-2008 22:56
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Only if they purposefully do not try to level it first or deliberatley do not play on the best table available to try to gain an advantage. Call me naive but it would be nice to think that does not go on.
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 22-06-2008 23:00
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Best table or not, that's irrelevant. It's still practice under certain conditions. |
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 22-06-2008 23:08
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So would you accept you use it to gain an advantage?
It may seem I am being argumentative over this but all was trying to do (other than wasting time when should be painting my flat lol) was find out why you would used a spotted white when so many others are available to you? - the only responses seem to be about how teams gain other advantages by using poor tables etc.. If the first question in this post is correct then fair enough, if not then I am not sure you have answered the question...
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 22-06-2008 23:22
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No. We don't use it as an advantage. We started using it, as previously explained, with the go-ahead of Mark H. It has since been agreed with several committee members, past and present, that it is ok to use. As we've decided to use it several seasons ago now, we use it in ALL home games, not just when other people pick and chose. That is our prerogative when we're playing at home.
Most people who moan about the ball have never even played with it. If they had, they'd realise they're making a lot of fuss over nothing.
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Posted on 22-06-2008 23:34
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Fat-Dart wrote:
Coneycueist wrote:
So to be 'fair' to all opponents, they all have to use it? Surely that implies you would be given some an unfair advantage if they don't have to use it and therefore it is an advantage to those who are used to it and practice with it?
Ok, to remain 'consistent'.
As for the advantage part, that's no different to any home team who practice on their home table and then expect the away team to play on it without knowing all its rolls etc.
You keep mentioning tables in you posts.
this thread is not about tables but a particular type of cue-ball.
We all know about certain tables not being level or of a different dimentions, So lets forget about the BLOODY tables and talk cue-balls.
As mentioned by Sass in an earlier post the spots on the ball can be quite dawnting if people have never used 1 before, So this would infer that there is an advantage to your team. Which to be fair to all who have posted so far are against the idea of a spotted white ball.
I also agree with their comments as you are the only team in the league to use this type of ball.
The Rules also state!
The game of eight-ball pool is played with:-
1. A "Cue ball" - Being White.
There is no mention of spots being on the ball which would define the fact that the ball should NOT be used for matches. |
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 22-06-2008 23:41
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The ball is white... just with 6 red spots. Considering it's the same ball used at the highest level of 8 ball, I don't see how it could be against the rules of the game.
As I said, it's been accepted by the committee, so until such time it's voted by the members at an AGM that it cannot be used, it will remain. |
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| Witt |
Posted on 23-06-2008 01:39
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I actually saw a game of singles last season where a Goodfellas player actually asked for a white ball to be changed as it had a mark on it that he found off-putting when playing!! Surely seems a bit hypocritical now. : |
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 23-06-2008 01:58
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Not at all. Our spots are supposed to be there and are part of the ball. If a cue ball is dirty/chipped, it can cause bad contacts and affect the game. It wasn't me, but fair point I'd say. |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 23-06-2008 02:27
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Gamesmanship. Pure and simple gamesmanship. Fat Dart will never admit that of course. 
In my opinon, there is no place for this ball in ''league'' pool.
I would never refuse to play against the Goodfella's because of it, but the question is always going to be. Why do it in the first place?
If its to be 'different' then it has backfired....
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| Cyber The Crucifier |
Posted on 23-06-2008 02:29
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when i was playing for the sas u should see how many people hated playing with spots and stripes
but if thats the ball u play with then so be it
ive never played with a cue ball that has 6 spots on it
but ive seen it on televsion
when 9 ball was played
but at the end of the day the Goodfelles play with it
so thats the way it is
so really this is a pointless conversation
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| Cyber The Crucifier |
Posted on 23-06-2008 02:31
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I would rather play with a spotted cue ball
than have a small table
that u cant cue around without obstruction
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Posted on 23-06-2008 02:39
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Just to add my 5p worth and being someone who actually practiced with one for 5 years. When I practiced 9 Ball I had a spotted white because the set I used was the Aramith TV set. At the worlds the spotted white is only used when matches are on the TV, when TV coverage is not on, a normal white is used.
Personally I don't see what all the fuss is, most of it is in the players head, but with that, it does give the home team an advantage, i do also remember a team in Biggin Hill that had Carlsberg written across the reds and yellows and it was very off putting.
I think it also could set a bad presedence, next we get a team that practice with a white that has dents and marks on it, they'll be used to it so wont change it.
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Posted on 23-06-2008 02:39
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Jamie, what has the table or cue restrictions got to do with this???
We all know why the SAS played with spots and stripes. It got them to Division 1. They dropped the spots and stripes and won 1 game out of 22.  |
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| Cyber The Crucifier |
Posted on 23-06-2008 02:43
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power i was saying that there r other things that i consider more annoying and to me make play more difficult |
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Posted on 23-06-2008 03:51
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Fat-Dart wrote:
No. We don't use it as an advantage. We started using it, as previously explained, with the go-ahead of Mark H. It has since been agreed with several committee members, past and present, that it is ok to use. As we've decided to use it several seasons ago now, we use it in ALL home games, not just when other people pick and chose. That is our prerogative when we're playing at home.
Most people who moan about the ball have never even played with it. If they had, they'd realise they're making a lot of fuss over nothing.
This is a big advantage to you fellas and has no cause to to used in matches that are not televised.
This is a pool league,played by people who enjoy playing pool with a proper set of balls which includes the white your cue-ball has no place in such a league as this.
As you said in a previous post this is used by professionals in the televised stages of pool comps.
again most of the people who play pool leagues are not professional and find this type of ball to off putting whilst playing shots.
If we were meant to play with spotted white balls then a set of pool-balls would be supplied with one.
99% of the pool league play with a plain white ball so what makes you so special as to want to play with a spotted white, Other than the advantage it does actually give you. |
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| Teach |
Posted on 23-06-2008 13:53
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I've got my singles tonight at Suzy Q's against Sarah King.
Will I be expected to use this type of cue ball in my game? If so, can I request a change?? |
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Posted on 23-06-2008 14:33
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It will be used in the World Championship.. If its good enough for them it is surely good enough in Croydon.
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| nuttmeg |
Posted on 23-06-2008 15:20
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can't beleive this,37 replies to a question about a cue ball. I tell the world about Brian Clarke being caught in bed with 4 under age kids and not a sausage |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 23-06-2008 15:42
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Shaggy wrote:
It will be used in the World Championship.. If its good enough for them it is surely good enough in Croydon.
As far as I understand, the ball is used in the televised stages only at the Worlds to enhance viewing and make it easier for the commentors. If you can tell me when or if we will ever see a Croydon pool league or cup game televised then I'll accept this type of cue-ball has a place in this league....
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