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Special rules for Mr Altes
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| Whatapisstake |
Posted on 11-07-2011 21:42
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Farron I was in no way having a pop at you at all mate !!! And I understand what your saying but certain other people have the problem with rod!!!
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| Viper |
Posted on 11-07-2011 22:45
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I took no offence at your comments Farron as I can fully understand and sympathise with your frustrations and I will go on the record here and now and say that not once during our conversation did you bring up or mention about claiming a walkover win as it was me that informed you near on straight away when you wanted to know what was occuring. What I will say is that the matter about any league member who is banned from a playing venue, regardless of who he/she is seriously needs addressing at the AGM to stop this happening again after this current summer season has elapsed. |
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| jacko |
Posted on 12-07-2011 00:19
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mr cee who ever u r? dont b telling lies bout me n expect me 2bend over n take it...know ur facts 1st...faron we no ura top bloke n best ov luck 4 2nite...im stil baffled that the simple fact is if u do not allow mark 2change the draw or change the agreement we the members voted on concerning the rileys sponsorship then u wil b kicked out ov comps...u cannot force a player 2change the venue drawn or voted on its absolutely ridiculas r our votes or rights meaningless?  |
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| Mr Cee |
Posted on 12-07-2011 04:40
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Firstly i am ANDRE COX secondly you only know of me from the league and we have never mixed words so for you to call me a nob is wrong and i got offended. i was stating facts and you was barred for the mentioned reasons! the way you have put rod's name across this site is wrong if you throw mud at people expect the mud to be thrown back rod does not come on this site as you know and the way you put his name across the site he does not have a chance to defend himself because you obviously have no balls in order to tell him these things yourself and as you know people will go back and tell him whatever rivalry you 2 have has nothing to do with this thread and the things you have said about him ain't right but it's ok for you to threaten people with text messages and exploit people within this league so before you stand in your glass house throwing stones have a think about the repercussions because your no as you make out. i know rod like many others within this league and he is genuinely liked and admired for his pool ability like many others that play in the league and its a pleasure to be amongst the quality as it only does 1 thing. i do not see why rod should not be allowed in riley's just for games and not pleasure he has not been found guilty of nothing and pending the outcome of the case base the final decision on that. but the mayor mr halsey has conversed with riley's and they have made there choice so its left there. any 1 of us within this league could go out on a night out not on a pool night to any team venue for a night out and get involved in an altercation which could result in a ban from that venue could we not be in this very same position again....?
rod beat farron games could have gone either way as farron had chances.
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| Faz Da Fisher |
Posted on 12-07-2011 15:05
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I gracefully lost 3-0 to a better player and I wish him all the luck in future rounds I possibly should have knicked 2 but that's life congratulations rod
I think I got a bite ... And it's a big one |
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| Mr Cee |
Posted on 12-07-2011 15:07
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oh na na what's my name yeah that's right croydon NO1! If that's what rod wants to do that's his choice and his decision we all do things to calm our nerves i go pool with a here is 1 i made earlie i must say i take a walk away from the premises so we all got our thing yours is cosmetic surgery your choice. I'm just sticking up for rod because he does not come on this site to defend himself like i previously stated. |
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| Golden |
Posted on 12-07-2011 17:13
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This is great. I miss playing in Croydon. Everyone likes everyone up here and there's never any drama which makes it rather boring. In fact, in three years I haven't seen or heard anyone raise their voice over pool let alone having a tear-up 
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| handbrake |
Posted on 12-07-2011 18:04
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Rod was also banned, for hotshots v the prop last summer, due to phone call informing rileys that he was not allowed in, this was indeed a very sad action I'm not mentioning no names of course, but we had the last laugh we pissed the leauge anyway lol |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 12-07-2011 18:19
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Two posts above 'allege' there was an incident at Rileys that night. Both statements are incorrect - the incident happened. Rileys were confident what took place and sensibly dealt with the matter, quickly by banning one person - not both of them.
The incident occured after/during a Croydon Pool fixture which immediately should mean an investigation regardless of whether a complaint was made. In this case, information suggests two verbal complaints were indeed received by the committee. Notwithstanding, the seriousness of the incident, a Croydon pool member's injuries, and fact the Police had been involved it is suprising the committee took a back seat. The incident didn't receive air time at the next AGM, another opportunity missed to deal with the matter.
It is therefore baffling to see the league committee, given Rileys immediate stance on this matter, offer some form of 'special treatment' whilst penalising someone (Farron) who had no involvement in the matter by making them change home advantage! The league have struck a 'deal' to host last 16 fixtures at a Rileys venue in return for their sponsorship but currently there is no mutual support of Rileys decision with Mr J Carcamo by the league committee. The reverse in fact, attempts to lift the ban.
The fact is there seems to have been a series of incidents in the past which the league has failed to deal with, one of which we now learn was whilst wearing a Croydon team shirt! Some of the arguments above about taking drugs are tied in with the arguments against cheating in general. Since this thread is about the committee 'changing the rules', is it fair to comment we have omitted arguments that focus on taking drugs being against the 'current' rules? We all seem to forget its the taking part that counts, not the winning. Drugs are against 'the spirit' of any sport. Remember, if the 'spirt of sport' includes the idea of hard work to become the best, taking drugs should be seen as a way of succeeding with less effort.
Imposing a 'ruling' on someone having to give up home advantage without the members approval is wrong, and whilst 'you' the 'members' sit there and say or do nothing the powers that be on the committee will continue to make bad decisions on your behalf.
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| Viper |
Posted on 12-07-2011 18:44
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Appreciate your comments power but this is not about the committee sitting back and doing nothing .... If we investigated every verbal complaint that I have received over the last 27 years, running the CDPL would become for myself and other past and present committee members .... a full time job. I for one does not want to open the door or floodgates for verbal complaints to be investigated to the extent that a wriiten one is handled at present. We have a responsibility to look after the interests of all members, regardless of personal opinions or what other associations have taken action over. We also have license to make decisions that we deem as fair at the time and again I fail to see where we, or should I say on this incident I, have sat back and done nothing. If my actions are deemed as incorrect then no doubt I'm gonna get an earful at the AGM .... but at least the problem will be aired but until then the situation and emergency measures stand ........ thats unless somebody wants to call another emergency meeting so the problem can be dealt with sooner if people see fit. |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 12-07-2011 19:20
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I can understand the time constraints you have, nobody doubts you receive a lot of complaints that border on nothing more than time wasting. But with hindsight would you not agree that given the 'seriousness' (charges relate to ABH & carrying an offence weapon) of the incident during a Croydon pool night, this particular 'complaint' merited taking a look at? Given the fact your sponsors were fully aware what had taken place would not contacting them at the time and then making universal decision as to interest of other members of the league not have been a sensible approach?
Mark, we all have our opinons and this is mine so please don't take offence. I am not saying your role is easy at times, and you are highly respected by the members of this league but you have got this one wrong. You and I both know nobody will call an 'emergency' meeting its too late in the day for that.
Just out of interest, when the Crown Court case concludes and in the event of a guilty verdict - what will be the league committee's position then?
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| Viper |
Posted on 12-07-2011 22:22
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Just for the record, I do not take offence at peoples opinions re the League, I would do if it was aimed at me personally or any member of my family in a hostile way but my position means I am accountable for my actions so thats cleared that up for a start. To be honest the Rod Altes situation was not even considered, thought about or discussed and that couold be interpreted as a fault if you like but I've got 600-700 people to consider and an individuals problems are not my main concern. I whole heartedly agree with the majority of the comments here (not the personal attack ones) and if Rod Altes is a decent fella he should withdraw from the competitions willingly until his situation is sorted one way or the other in court and has his ban lifted from Rileys. We have had 2 similar incidents over the last 3 years with players being banned from a venue and I will be strongly proposing that any such player in the future will 1 - Not be eligible to enter into the Individual Competitions and 2 - If this occurs during a season and before the comps come to a conclusion then he/she will be withdrawn from the competitions with the previous opponent/s being re-instated into the competition and tis discussed in September. Just as footnote, its alright people raising opinions on here but at the end of the day the incident was alledged but for any of those people that were actually there on the night and know for a fact what occured ..... Why have none of you ever come forward so that this could have been dealt with at league level if you have previously posted on this thead ?. Again, I can only deal with problems if they are raised. |
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| jacko |
Posted on 12-07-2011 23:18
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i actually aint got nothin against crack eds, bums or druggies or peasants...think there clearly pillars ov the community...kmt ....if i practice enuf drop down 2div 2 n win the doubles then maybe just maybe i mite win the rankins Again...itsa dream but its my dream hahahahahahahahahah |
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| longshanks |
Posted on 13-07-2011 00:05
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One thing I would disagree about in Deutch's last post is reinstating someone if they have lost to someone who is subsequently banned. Once you have lost you have lost. It would leave a bye in the next round of course. |
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| Viper |
Posted on 13-07-2011 00:35
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Again, appreciate the comments and we will kick it around at the appropriate time but you get the giste of what I'm saying and really what needs a membership direction on. |
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| Knocky |
Posted on 13-07-2011 00:36
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i think there shuold be an emergancy meeting to put this matter to bed,caus its not going to go away any time soon,like i said in an eariler post if rod was to get to the final which everyone knows he is more than capable of doing,rileys as sponcers im sure would be disappointed as they have put alot of mony into the league,if they were to pull out where would that then leave the league,as a certain valcum once said the needs of the meny outwaigh the needs of the few or one in this case.
summer champs 2008
div 1 individual winner 2008
and knockout cup winners 2008
croydon singles league iv prem winner
plus league cup winners 2011,2012.2014
plus ko cup plate winners 2011 summer doubles winners 2010winter league champs 2017
and lots of runner up trophys which have been given to local schools. |
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| Pondlife |
Posted on 13-07-2011 01:20
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Mark , I now feel that it is imperative for you to call another EGM to sort out this major problem.I do not think that the situation can be allowed to fester until September . I have several questions to put to the committee and I would like some answers. I am not prepared to elaborate on this forum. Look forward to an early advice. |
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| Faz Da Fisher |
Posted on 13-07-2011 07:10
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longshanks wrote:
One thing I would disagree about in Deutch's last post is reinstating someone if they have lost to someone who is subsequently banned. Once you have lost you have lost. It would leave a bye in the next round of course.
Totally agree but then what's the point of an emergency general meeting the damage has been caused a member has had to sacrifice his home advantage not that I'm saying rod wouldn't of beaten me at home but we played at Farley to no advantage for me but I should of at least had the right to play my fixture at home and I AM still saying rod has a right to play in the competition and he shouldn't feel like he has to forfeit a match but maybe Rileys should have shown more maturity and the match should of been postponed until serious consideration was given and proper ruling was deemed.
100% respect to rod who informed on the night he would have given me the match but the long term of this predicament needs to be dealt with as this will now affect the better halves ko cup match as rod is in their team and they have right according to the emergency ruling to play it at the Farley.
The way I see it is I lost fair and square to what can only be described as a genius on a pool table. However if it is deemed in future that a banned player from a sponsored venue is disallowed from entering a competition then I will feel very aggrieved as I have been beaten by someone who should not have been in this years competition theoretically so my opinion on the whole thing is if it is not clear enough proper ruling should have been taken before the match was played.
Mark I think you do a very decent job for the league and I know not many people would do it but you could of helped me out here by having a decent discussion/vote I mean the decision was already taken before I spoke to yourself. I mean if the league and it's members had voted for option which occured and is now in place temporary then this whole thread would be invalid and redundant but i feel this issue and just to make clear the issue is about losing home advantage not rod Altes should have been handles collectively and not by 1 chairman and 2 secretaries.
Those who say rod shouldn't be allowed in competition I understand the frustration but what is a league without it's best players and the frustration is therefore promoted from a feeling of anguish that said aggrieved members do not have the capability to beat mr Altes and I for one don't share this opinion.
Edited by Faz Da Fisher on 13-07-2011 07:32
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| Viper |
Posted on 13-07-2011 11:50
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I will talk to the Chairman today with a view to an EGM being called for Thursday 21st July (To be confirmed) |
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| Spudangles |
Posted on 13-07-2011 13:25
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Well done Rod glad you won! |
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