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| longshanks |
Posted on 22-04-2009 19:56
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This website will look pretty silly if we can't call *******gy, one of the founder members, by his user name, *******gy, especially as he has been known as *******gy since he was about 11, I believe because he looked like the bloke in Scooby Doo, named *******gy. |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 22-04-2009 19:58
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sailor wrote:
Alex,
On our game with you that you have mentioned, your team consisted of Barry, Farron, Rab and Scott, 4 very good players in their own right, plus 2 i have never had the opportunity to play against before. So not necessarily your weakest team. And you had the chances to change the score line on the night.
You were also aware, days in advance of issues within your own team and had time to sort things out.
As my PM to you on this also said, i have very few to choose from in the next two league games, but we will play full stop - it's my problem if i cant get a team out, not the oppositions
Firstly Sailor, its a well known fact that your team have in the past not given the opposition the drippings off their noses when it comes to postponing matches. You are ultra good at delivering that gamesmanship card when you know something is going to be in your favour. So lets face it we were up against it for getting a postponment before we even bothered to request one.
Secondly, I spoke to you on the Monday night we played our League Cup game. I explained to you that we would do well to get a team out and you told me to call you the next morning. We then posted on the site we may have three players the next morning.
Off the back of that, you then sent a PM but not to me. You mistakenly forwarded a PM to SITE TEAM quoting this and that ruling. Which broke all the boundaries of gamesmanship. Telling us about your problems in rescheduling the game in the weeks to come. Not once did you consider our position.
As a result, I got one player registered that day with Mark Halsey and played another player who had not hit a competitive ball all season.
But we fulfilled the fixture - so don't try and stick your two penniesworth in where it a'int welcome. |
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| andye |
Posted on 22-04-2009 20:07
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ThePower wrote:
That's because we didn't have THREE players available to fulfill the fixture.
Something which last night you clearly both had.
Sir Tony, as a captain who has a team in the relegation shake up, I have a right to express my view whether you like that or not, I am not bothered.
wrong again power (grrr)
those in our team who weren't watching the darts were visiting me in hospital...
thanks for the flowers and grapes btw guys... |
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 22-04-2009 20:31
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You are entitled to you opinion of course Alex, but when you state your opinion on a matter as what you percieve to be a fact ie 'GAMESMANSHIP', you are way off the mark.
It was certainly not gamesmanship or seeking to get an advantage. Everything was done with the agreement of the two teams, and the league secretary. As I said before there was nothing to suggest the Prop wouldn't get a massive result, and heap pressure on us for next week. The fact that they didn't is down to them not us.
The match will be played before the next round of matches, and to be honest I dont see it has any relevance in how the league top and bottom pan out. We both have to win for differing reasons.
The worse thing was the whole Taylor thing really wasn't worth cancelling a game for anyway.
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| nuttmeg |
Posted on 22-04-2009 20:37
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longshanks wrote:
I can't see that postponing the game will have any effect on the result, so long as it's played before the next match. Both teams still need to win. Phil I totally agree with you we are going to try and beat the bloodhounds 10-0 I really can't see Alex's point.But hey ALex any chance to sh1t stir hey. |
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| Teach |
Posted on 22-04-2009 22:08
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I think Tony, *******gy and Andy have said all that I need to say. Sean emailed me about a month ago stating his desire to be at the darts evening, along with a few other Eagles regulars.
As far as I am concerned, the match needs to be played on or before 28th April, and that is exactly what will happen.
I'm constantly being reminded that this league is meant to be a 'friendly pub league', particularly when my team is apparently looking to claim games (a claim made a few weeks ago). You then try and do the decent thing (in this situation), and you still get slated!!
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| ThePower |
Posted on 22-04-2009 22:13
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Ego's, you REALLY are MISSING the point. You and the Hounds have contravened league playing rules. Both your sides had 3 players eligible to play the game and postponing the match because some fat Northern dart throwing pikey was in town is not a valid reason to cancel the match.
The timing of the match cancellation with 3 weeks left to go was insensitive to your opponents who are trying to win the title & stay in this division. Plus there appears NO valid reason to have cancelled this game.
Standing around smirking as your title opponents grind out a draw with the Pond sums it up.
I really hope as a result of this the Eagles lose the league and the Hounds get Division 2 pool next season. In fact, I would just love it if it happens. Just love it. |
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 22-04-2009 22:24
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Amazing you can see us sitting around smirking etc when you were in a different postcode.
1) We were watching the Prop game because we were interested in the result. Of course we are going to favour the Pond, anything else would be plain ridiculous.
2) Taylor stopped throwing darts and about 8.30. I could have stayed near the bar watching him sign autographs all night, but couldn't bear the excitement. I was told the exhibition would start at 9, not end then.... In hindsight we could have quite easily started the match at 9, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
I am sure the team are really concerned that you dont want us to win. Face, bovvered etc. If the Prop or the Hotshots win then fair play to them as far as I am concerned. I know in my heart of hearts that we have not tried to manufacture anything.
I havent seen the consititution recently, does it actually say in their that you are not allowed to cancel games??? It would be suprising if the League Secretary didnt know this rule.
At least we know that in future we can run things by you for approval.
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| handbrake |
Posted on 22-04-2009 22:27
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i must say i dont think the match should have been canceled, it was kind of strange cing both hotshots and prop playing and half the eagles team watching both matching but that being said the it takes two to cancel a match and it will be played before next week so i can see both sides, but lets just get on with it whats done is done |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 22-04-2009 22:43
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Teach wrote:
I think Tony, *******gy and Andy have said all that I need to say. Sean emailed me about a month ago stating his desire to be at the darts evening, along with a few other Eagles regulars.
As far as I am concerned, the match needs to be played on or before 28th April, and that is exactly what will happen.
I'm constantly being reminded that this league is meant to be a 'friendly pub league', particularly when my team is apparently looking to claim games (a claim made a few weeks ago). You then try and do the decent thing (in this situation), and you still get slated!!
So if this was decided a month ago was it? - So why NEVER mention it? Why NEVER broadcast it? Why did neither of team's play the Sportsmanship Card and as a result give all the other teams in the title and relegation mix up the option to reschedule their games? Bascially it stinks.
Which ever way you or Sir Tony Nuttman tries to paint us all a glossy picture of this, it will be perceived now that both you and the Ego's have gained an unfair advantage at what is a crucial stage of the league. You both now know what is mathmatically required of you next week, it gives you both the opportunity to juggle your team selections, to bring in other players, to have one further week to prepare.
I now hear that your match next week is being played on TWO tables? Are you just plain mad Teach or have you let Sir Tony and his Egotistic team members get a rather large big one over on you? Sir Tony is called Sir Tony for a reason you know. I would hazard a good bet that your ticket to go and see Phil Taylor last night was COURTESY of Sir Tony? It is quite clear that Sir Tony has you in his pocket and on his underhand payroll.
Your inexperience in this matter may well cost your side their Div 1 status and do you know what, I hope it does. I hope your Phil Taylor signed poster was worth it.
Whatever the outcome of this, you have BOTH set a precedent in Croydon Pool, in so far as we now all have licence to cancel a game of pool when we like regardless of who it may effect. |
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| andye |
Posted on 22-04-2009 22:53
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ThePower wrote:
Ego's, you REALLY are MISSING the point. You and the Hounds have contravened league playing rules. Both your sides had 3 players eligible to play the game and postponing the match because some fat Northern dart throwing pikey was in town is not a valid reason to cancel the match.
The timing of the match cancellation with 3 weeks left to go was insensitive to your opponents who are trying to win the title & stay in this division. Plus there appears NO valid reason to have cancelled this game.
Standing around smirking as your title opponents grind out a draw with the Pond sums it up.
I really hope as a result of this the Eagles lose the league and the Hounds get Division 2 pool next season. In fact, I would just love it if it happens. Just love it.
your getting boring now power (grrr)... your accusing us of moving dates to benefit our respective league positions
i would imagine everyone bar you knows this isn't the case.
we had a gentlemens agreement and our gentlemens league, simple as that. it wasn't hush hush or anything
i can only presume that this is sort of thing you would try and do to gain an advantage and that's why you think these things of everone else!
teach got my invite to the real power as i had to go to hospital!
what has 2 tables got to do with anything, it's merely a time issue, i'm sure we'd all rather play on 1!
as 5haggy said, yes we may have an advantage now, but if the prop had a big win then they'd have the advantage!
last year we postponed a match for the eden and that nearly cost us the league, how quick you forget a favour when it suits you!
with over 25 cdpl titles on the shelf the incentive to win fades a bit, the fact that if we win will make you unhappy has no doubt just given us an extra incentive to win, so thanks for that x
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| ThePower |
Posted on 22-04-2009 23:03
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*******gy wrote:
Amazing you can see us sitting around smirking etc when you were in a different postcode.
1) We were watching the Prop game because we were interested in the result. Of course we are going to favour the Pond, anything else would be plain ridiculous.
I didn't need to see it - I have witnessed it many times before. But as I've heard about it, I guess it pi$$ed off a few people?
If you both sides cannot see for themselves that cancelling the match last night was plain stupid, and plain insensitive to your opponents then so be it. |
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| Teach |
Posted on 22-04-2009 23:05
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Alex - I'm not going to argue with you because you will simply twist everything I say anyway. You know that I was genuinely trying to do a team an 'honest' favour, and you know for a fact that I'm not the kind of person who deliberately tries to gain an advantage.
To suddenly wish relegation on my team because of this, is very very sad.  :: |
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| Spud |
Posted on 22-04-2009 23:08
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Ok, I know you're fishing Alex, so I'll have a little nibble . . Just to save confusion.
Yeah, it was about a month ago I'm guessing. . .
When we were second or maybe even third in the table, and there were still 4 teams in it.
First things first, we cancelled our match so we could attend a different sporting event.
You do this every year with the GG's.
Just because we watched said sporting event in our local area, and not at ascot makes no odds.
We simply done the same thing you've done several times in the past.
If Steve (Teach) had disagreed to reschedule, then no problems. The game would have had to have gone ahead. We would have worked it out somehow, but both teams were in agreeance.
I cleared it with Mark, assuring him it woukld be played before the next round of fixtures. It will.
If ANY person / team would like the result of the match before they break off on tuesday, then contact me, I will give you the honest result.
We told the Prop what we were doing, they were aware. They even contemplated moving thier own game at one stage, but they were fully aware of what we were doing.
They had the advantage in my eyes, as they were expected to knock a big score in. No disrespect intended to the Pond, but it was a top of the table vs. bottom of the table clash, so form would suggest Prop pulling a big win.
That's sport in a nutshell though. Unpredictable. Pond played a great match.
To say we were smirking is well wide of the mark though.
The only reason we were over there at all, was becasue Taylors exhibition was poor at best. . . .
I actually got pulled from the hat to play the man, along with 10 or so others, so at that stage, thought it was well worth the effort.
After playing just 3 legs of darts though, in about 10 mins, his spokesman announced "Phil will not be playing anymore, he will now be signing autographs"
ZZzz... No interest in watching the world dart champion sign his name.
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| ThePower |
Posted on 22-04-2009 23:13
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andye wrote:
last year we postponed a match for the eden and that nearly cost us the league, how quick you forget a favour when it suits you!
As you just plain THICK Andy? We all know you are a complete plank at the best of times but do I have to SPELL it out to you AGAIN?
Our reason to cancel the game last season was VALID. Why? Because we could not field a team. You had two options. 1) Claim the game 2) Rearrange it. The game was rearranged which YOU agreed to do. So drop all the amateur dramatics about nearly loosing the title as a result of it.
Now the question is this. Is postponing a match VALID when that postponement entails watching a darts exhibition when BOTH sides can field a team. The answer to that is clearly NO.
Now get back to polishing your trophies you sad fool. |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 22-04-2009 23:23
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Spud wrote:
First things first, we cancelled our match so we could attend a different sporting event.
You do this every year with the GG's.
Just because we watched said sporting event in our local area, and not at ascot makes no odds.
We simply done the same thing you've done several times in the past.
Just for the THIRD time in case you have missed this one Sean. We could not field a LEGAL line up last season. You could have claimed the win. Rearranging was sporting though.
You and the Hounds could of played a LEGAL line up. There appears no VALID reason to cancel the match and believe me there are plenty of people who are pi$$ed off about it. |
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| berty |
Posted on 22-04-2009 23:26
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This seems like a lot of fuss over nothing. All I would say is what constitues a valid excuse for re-arranging? Many people cannot field a team because half their team are going to see Charlton play or Chelsea or whoever in the cup. What is the difference between that and watching a darts exhibition. As long as it is agreed by both team secs and Mark H there is no argumant to be had here. Although I am sure it will not stop one. Eagles knew before last night that they needed to win 7-3 plus to keep the pressure up so I doubt that they will lower their target to a 5-5 draw just because the prop have done the same. Pub League this stuff happens and if it was arranged a month in advance I can't exactly see Shaun, Paul, Hughie Tony and co sitting around a crystal ball on a cold winters night plotting this sh*t when their trophy cabinet is already overflowing. |
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| Teach |
Posted on 22-04-2009 23:38
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Like I said, this was agreed with the best of my intentions. I apologise to whomever I have upset.
I would also like to state that contrary to posts earlier, my team for the rescheduled game will be exactly the same team that I would have played last night. Alex is right - we were not short of players (thats not what I'm trying to claim).
Apologies once again - live and learn I guess. But please don't wish my team to be relegated because of this, this was a decision 'I' made with honest intentions.  |
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| ThePower |
Posted on 22-04-2009 23:40
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Berty, we all know how you like to stick your tongue up the Eagles backsides, and are secretly their number 1 fan, but don't get the wool pulled over your eyes here.
If we all went around cancelling matches because we had something else better to do, then this league will turn into a shambles. We have fixtures and dates for a reason and the ground rules need to be followed.
Just in case you are also MISSING the POINT. Both sides had a LEGAL line up. Normally when a game is cancelled that 99% NOT the case. Darts, football, visiting Andy Esgrove in hospital, whatever the reason. If you have enough players available and then those players parade themselves around in public - then there is a difference.
Plus nowhere on this site I can see the Eden, Pond, Legion, London, Prop, Hot Shots, and Patriots have been given the opportunity to POSTPONE their week 20 fixtures? Of course we didn't. Because all of us bar the Prop (and they only had 1 weeks notice) didn't even know about it. Its not just a top of the table issue here, its also about those teams in the relegation fight. Those teams also being informed what is going on. There has been a total lack of respect shown towards those sides.
Surely, with 3 games to play in a title and relegation battle that is tighter than your a$$ Berty, you can see how inappropriate it is to be even looking at cancelling a match. Especially, when you look at why this match was cancelled.
It will make the outcome of the title race a farce in my view. Well done Ego's.
Postponing will give both sides an advantage regardless of the scores last night. It gives them both the current picture in the league, that will benefit both. It also gives them an opportunity to decide which team they will select based on the outcome of the results last night. Danny Evans, I now hear, is now on route to play both matches next week. Funny that eh? Because I heard Danny wasn't at last nights darts exhibition.....
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| harry |
Posted on 22-04-2009 23:53
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Loving this debate......Oh I do love a mass debate 
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