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| Spud |
Posted on 13-02-2009 22:07
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It's the pointless time wasting that agreives people. . . .
It's when it's the same people, every week.
In that respect, it's a good rule.
That said, it was voted on, and so therefore we'll abide by it.
No worries.
I think what will happen once the dust has settled, is that it will only be used where people are blatantly extracting the urine.
(As the Reigate league does)
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| ThePower |
Posted on 14-02-2009 05:28
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Sociable night out? Not in Division 1. Who the fuck are you lot kidding - apart from yourselves! All this 'its a social league' bullshit is only true if you mean having a social night out amongst yourselves!!!
Believe me, Division 1 is not a social arena. In the last 2 years maybe it has got better but apart from a mutual respect for oneanother thats about it. How many teams have a beer after the match together? Thats being social - not walking in saying hello and retreating to the farthest corner of the room. Personally, I like that. We are there to win first and foremost so you'll appreciate 'social' and Eden has never worked as a combination.
Though it appears Longshanks and Pat want to change the mould, and I am happy to embrace any plans they have to make my Tuesday night out more opponent friendly and sociable.....
As for the 60 second rule. Isn't Divsion 1 in Croydon blessed with World ranked players, International players, County players, Interleague players, plus players who would roll into most County and Interleague teams if they could be arsed to pick a cue more than just on a Tuesday night, and of course as a league we have produced the 2008 ''National'' team champions? The 60 second rule should be in force in this divsion regardless of whether you are a fan or not. Most of the players play it outside the current Croydon set up. If you want tension - then you still have the option of that. 60 second rule could mean MORE frames being introduced.
Aren't most other leagues in our County using the 60 second rule? In fact haven't those leagues used the rule effectively and introduced more frames per match night as a result of using the clock.
Whether the 60 second rule works outside Div 1 is another argument all together. I don't think Div 1 should just have the rule, so everyone should get on with it and adapt.
If you want 'social' night out there is another local league, it's called the Bromley Pool League. Join it, and I'll bet you'll all be running back by the time 30 seconds has been called.
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| Fat-Dart |
Posted on 14-02-2009 06:43
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Sun headline: "ThePower in sensible, well thought out post Shocker".
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| longshanks |
Posted on 14-02-2009 18:14
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Alex is probably right about Division 1, but there are 4 other Divisions where timing will go down like a lead balloon. |
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| andye |
Posted on 14-02-2009 18:52
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strangely enough i think the eden will be the team most effected by the 60 second rule...
the eagles, hotshots and prop are used to it with the interleague/county/internationals they have...
whereas the eden players don't have the same natural ability and are grafters, which in my experience in the past have won them games through a lot of thought on each shot, quite often taking more than 60 seconds...
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| chuckles |
Posted on 14-02-2009 19:14
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The people on here saying they "would" have opposed the 60-second rule don't have a leg to stand on. You had the choice to vote but didn't.
As for ref's paying attention, if that is the case the one not paying attention has no say in any decisions. It isn't that hard to watch the game, with or without a stopwatch in your hand.
Time outs cannot be called out when ever the player wants. It can only be used for legitimate reasons. i.e. when a player from another table is in the way, waiting for a ref's decision, wanting a rest that cannot be immediately found etc, etc. Not things like phone calls, getting a pint, going to the toilet etc, etc. All these thing can be done before your game starts.
Spud wrote:
It's only a handful of people in the hundreds that play in our league that are consistently slow, so the timing rule is aimed at a minority, but will now affect the majority.
As for the above quote. Have you tried playing under the 60-second rule? For the "hundreds" you mention, it won't effect at all, as 60 seconds is an age to play a shot. Hopefully when the dust has settled, we may even be able to add another set of five and put a stop to the 5-5 draws and guarantee a winner every week.
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| andye |
Posted on 14-02-2009 21:22
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chuckles wrote:
Time outs cannot be called out when ever the player wants. It can only be used for legitimate reasons. i.e. when a player from another table is in the way, waiting for a ref's decision, wanting a rest that cannot be immediately found etc, etc.
Hopefully when the dust has settled, we may even be able to add another set of five and put a stop to the 5-5 draws and guarantee a winner every week.
at county once i asked for a time out to tuck in my shirt so it wouldn't touch some of the balls and got told i couldn't have one....
i then asked for the white and all 15 other balls to be cleaned.... i was then allowed the time out for tucking in my shirt...
there's always loopholes and people will find them if they want to!
what's wrong with a 5-5 draw, some matches deserve a draw. it makes a win more valuable as you have to win by 2 frames hence the odd fluke can't win a match...
if anything i'd want our existing 7 player format but play twice and have 14 frames! |
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| TomT |
Posted on 14-02-2009 21:29
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So was the 60 second rule voted in?
If so in all leagues? |
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| The_Saxtonator |
Posted on 14-02-2009 22:07
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tomt wrote:
So was the 60 second rule voted in?
If so in all leagues?
It was agreed at the half year agm held last on Wednesday Tom
The rule will be applied across the whole league on a trial basis for the summer
If teams do not want to proceed with the trial after the summer league, a proposal can be entered for the winter agm to be held in September. If the proposal to remove the rule is carried it will be removed. If no proposal is received in writing, or the proposal is not carried, the rule will also apply for the forthcoming winter season |
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| Sting |
Posted on 15-02-2009 00:27
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andye wrote:
strangely enough i think the eden will be the team most effected by the 60 second rule...
the eagles, hotshots and prop are used to it with the interleague/county/internationals they have...
whereas the eden players don't have the same natural ability and are grafters, which in my experience in the past have won them games through a lot of thought on each shot, quite often taking more than 60 seconds...
i cant help but love this comment about the mighty eden the week before we play the eagles. Being called grafters and not naturally talented. Most of our players are blessed with large dollops of natural talent but unfortunately have this thing called "a life" that prevents them from playing pool 5 times a week and sleeping with their pool cue. If our players played more than once a week we would walk the croydon league year after year. What we lack is consistency which comes from something we dont have also known as "practice". The previously mentioned thing called "a life" prevents this. Beating the hot shots who are undoubtedly the best team in croydon if not the
UK season after season surely proves this.
The last time i saw the naturally talented eagles playing they were getting hammered by the bloodhouds 8-2. Those bloodhouds must have some really talented players......
and for my 2 pennies worth i used to play 20 frames of pool a night in the edens birthplace the wheatsheaf when i was 18 and had no problem taking out allegedly talented mugs with only 5 seconds a shot let alone 60 so i say BRING IT ON |
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| andye |
Posted on 15-02-2009 01:48
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Sting wrote:
andye wrote:
strangely enough i think the eden will be the team most effected by the 60 second rule...
the eagles, hotshots and prop are used to it with the interleague/county/internationals they have...
whereas the eden players don't have the same natural ability and are grafters, which in my experience in the past have won them games through a lot of thought on each shot, quite often taking more than 60 seconds...
i cant help but love this comment about the mighty eden the week before we play the eagles. Being called grafters and not naturally talented. Most of our players are blessed with large dollops of natural talent but unfortunately have this thing called "a life" that prevents them from playing pool 5 times a week and sleeping with their pool cue. If our players played more than once a week we would walk the croydon league year after year. What we lack is consistency which comes from something we dont have also known as "practice". The previously mentioned thing called "a life" prevents this. Beating the hot shots who are undoubtedly the best team in croydon if not the
UK season after season surely proves this.
The last time i saw the naturally talented eagles playing they were getting hammered by the bloodhouds 8-2. Those bloodhouds must have some really talented players......
and for my 2 pennies worth i used to play 20 frames of pool a night in the edens birthplace the wheatsheaf when i was 18 and had no problem taking out allegedly talented mugs with only 5 seconds a shot let alone 60 so i say BRING IT ON
lol...
my post was actually a compliment not a dig!!!
don't give it all that 'life' cobblers,
i probably practice the most in the eagles team and thats 2/3 days a week max and only for a few hours. most of the others are once a weekers
most of our players are capable of 100 breaks at snooker, i expect if you added your teams highest breaks together it would probably come to around the same figure...!!!
obviously the last time you watched us wasn't last week!
hotshots were the best team over a season ago... so i presume the hall of fame isn't working yet!
oh, and by the way, i only sleep with my cue in yarmouth...!!!
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| Truey |
Posted on 16-02-2009 21:09
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The only player in the ego's who is a once a weeker is probably S.Potter the rest all play snooker/county/interleague & comps etc all the time so of course your standard is going to be higher as you play/practice consistently, but if you were all that good why are you all working for a living & not on TV playing the game
natural ability as you put it is not only a thing that Hot shots/prop/ego's have....
i am sure a lot of players are gifted but just can't practice enough to get to a new level....I am pretty sure if i personally played more than 1 or 2 frames a week my standard would improve as would a whole load of our team & others in this league....either way looking forward to being shown a night of natural ability tomorrow
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 16-02-2009 21:27
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I dont personally see anything wrong with the rule coming in. I have never been time fouled in my life and have never felt the need to spend more than a minute on a shot, even prior to world rules.
You dont have to be talented to be good at pool, if you put the white in the middle of the table then their is virtually no pot that is impossible, and most are simple.....
Regarding the amount of play, I play considerably less than Paul Saxton for example, so whilst you improve with practice often it means diddly squat if you dont have a certain flair in the first place..
Just to confirm, I play 2 frames of pool on Tuesday (last week was the exception, I had a practice), 2 frames of league snooker a week, 20 frames once a month at County, and havent played interlegue for best part of a year. 0 Single leagues and half a dozen comps a year. Probably considerably less than most people would think.
Potter is our slowest player, however he is also our most aggressive, and that usually gets overlooked. Often players become far to negative when they think too much. Nick Faldo called it 'paralysis by analysis', which sums up a number of players I can think of. Considering your options is one thing, thinking 5 minutes over a shot is completely unnecessary.
And in any event almost all the leagues I know run a watch on agreement, or if wone team has a strong desire too. In many instances it should not even be necessary.
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 16-02-2009 21:29
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Incidentally Truey, only about half a dozen players in the Country make money..... Their is nobody within our team that are anywhere near good enough to do that.
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| EmDee |
Posted on 17-02-2009 00:26
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Fat-Dart wrote:
Sun headline: "ThePower in sensible, well thought out post Shocker".
lol
I fully agree with ThePower in this case.
I'm off for a lie down.
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| Luke |
Posted on 18-02-2009 17:01
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Just out of interest, how will it work in a singles or doubles matches? |
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Posted on 18-02-2009 17:09
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60 second rule, pah. Wont it be off putting if you don't have a stopwatch. All you will be able to hear is the ref going...
1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi 4, Mississippi, 5 Mississippi......
Well, thats how I was taught to count seconds!
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| EmDee |
Posted on 18-02-2009 18:27
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EmDee wrote:
Fat-Dart wrote:
Sun headline: "ThePower in sensible, well thought out post Shocker".
lol
I fully agree with ThePower in this case.
I'm off for a lie down.
Upon further reflection I have decided that all is well and that I don't really agree with him. Phew. Spending the social fund on stopwatches is not the way forward. Luke makes a good point about singles and doubles matches too.
It's a social league and we should try to keep it that way instead of making it more serious. Although that's not to say that I condone people taking ages to play a shot, I'm well against that!
Maybe a warning rule of some sort for games that are taking ages. Only break out the stopwatch on request of the opponent or something?
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| Sass |
Posted on 18-02-2009 18:44
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chuckles wrote:
The people on here saying they "would" have opposed the 60-second rule don't have a leg to stand on. You had the choice to vote but didn't.
Sorry for having a life away from pool!!! 
I simply think it's overkill for a pub pool league to have this rule. In practice the two secretaries will ask eachother whether they want to use a stop watch at the start of the match and whatever they agree on will be what will happen.
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Posted on 18-02-2009 18:47
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Luke wrote:
Just out of interest, how will it work in a singles or doubles matches?
Its only coming in for team matches, not singles or doubles. |
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