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| bob todd |
Posted on 31-08-2008 17:26
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i dont often write on this page but at the moment im peed off with the info ive just bin given. a member has just told me that to try and win the league they will only play there best 5 players twice and leave 4 players on the sidelines watching till the end of season, we all want to win but isnt this what the summer league is trying to avoid and the 10 frame games gives everyone a game. bad sportsmanship I THINK |
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| Sass |
Posted on 31-08-2008 17:39
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Someone said that at the AGM too 
At the end of the day if this format is to continue then there may well be a bit of thinning out of teams which should ultimately lead to more teams being created. |
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| harry |
Posted on 31-08-2008 19:21
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If I was one of the 4 players just watching, I would be looking for another team.
Ahem, I believe the Rack Pack are a fair team to play for 
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| Golden |
Posted on 31-08-2008 19:38
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I see your point Bob but how far away is it from the old format where by a team had a squad of 11 or 12 players but always played the same seven?
You have two types of captains with the new format . . Those who put a team out to win and those who put a team out to give everyone a game . .
The only way around your grievance is to bring in a rule by where all players present have to play at least one frame before anyone can play again . . The problem with this is it will bring on situations where people will be asked not to turn up and that can't be better than the alternative surely?
The problem is Bob, some people/teams will do anything to win no matter what it involves . .
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| andye |
Posted on 31-08-2008 22:34
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most teams do give most of their players a game. the rack pack do, as do the prop. the unpreds don't and are top of the league by some distance.
it seems a bit unsportsmanly especially in the summer league but it depends i suppose what teams priorities are.
i like the way we do it in the rack pack especially as it means harry gets a game sometimes...
i can see teams being fair to everone until it gets to the crunch when the top 5 players will play twice...
cup of course is a bit different...!!! |
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| scottish-hustler |
Posted on 01-09-2008 01:13
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unpreds do generally give every1 a game unless a player steps down cause we're down and we only have 8 players and john hoy helps out when we are short. Thats what i like about the unpreds. we have some good players and like this season the fact we can win using all players and if we dont it's when a player is willing to step down, it shows that the team are willing to compromise and arent too bothered about gatting a game every week. so whatever we do win it's as a team and not just a selection of players.
If the captain doesnt give a player a game maybe it's a hint that they dont want them on the team lol. i'd look for another team. as golden said theres to types of captains which make two teams. ones that are in it for a laugh and ones that are in it for the competition you just need to decide what one you want to be in
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| Lils |
Posted on 01-09-2008 04:38
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I think you'll find Golden didn't say anything about Captains that are out 'for a laugh'. Captains don't need to be out for a laugh to want to try and be fair. If you only have 6 or 7 players signed for a minimum 5 person set-up, then fair enough. As long as those other 1 or 2 players know they're only going to play if the team is short.
I think you'll probably find the Eagles will generally play the players that turn up each week for them in the Winter league if the format is kept the same; I wouldn't really say that they're entering 'for a laugh'.
As has been said, if your agenda is to simply play the same top 5 players twice in every game, then that's up to you. Winning means everything to some. |
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| nuttmeg |
Posted on 01-09-2008 16:16
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Bob it really isn't a problem as Harry stated those sitting on the bench every week will leave, leaving the team with a bare 5 then if any body goes ill,gets arrested or I cut their break cables all of a sudden games are forfeited 
the Eagles will play between 7 & 10 players every week in the winter league if the new rule goes ahead depending who turns up.I like playing all my players if I can. |
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| Rambo |
Posted on 01-09-2008 17:00
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In my pool team in Edinburgh "Diane's "A"
We played a format which is lose 2 games and your dropped for 1 or 2 match and lose again when you get back and your dropped again and if you win your still picked for the next game that way it gives everybody a chance |
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| Lils |
Posted on 01-09-2008 17:32
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I believe they adopted a system like this at the Unpredictables a while back.
I can see the logic behind it, but think it's a bit too harsh - what happens if your best player loses two frames after 1 opponent flukes a few balls and the other dishes up? Do you still stick to your format? And if they then lose their one frame when returning they get dropped again? Surefire way to lose players in my opinion.
If you ask me, you simply need a Captain with a set of balls so he/she can tell players when they're not playing, albeit whether it's due to team rotation or they're not playing well enough to get a place in the starting line-up.
Systems and rotas can't work, simply because it's not always the players fault if they lose a frame.
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| scottish-hustler |
Posted on 01-09-2008 18:47
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yeah that rule did not really work tbh i hated it. like lils said you just need a capt that's happy to say your playing shit, sit down!
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| Rainbow |
Posted on 02-09-2008 15:59
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for over 15 years, 1 frame a week was enough. Now teams are rowing amongst themselves to play 2! In the Farley Loyalists every player that turns up gets a game, except Knock-out cup, captains choice.
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| ThePower |
Posted on 02-09-2008 16:31
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I see Bob's point and for those sitting it out it appears wrong. 10 frames has been a positive way forward for majority of teams, and this summer the Eden has given every player at least one frame each week. We have used our Jose Mourino rotation system when selecting those for two frames.
On the subject of Captains. In Winter Div 1 - its all about 'winning' or basically you won't survive. If you want to stay in Div 1 or win it then you need to deliver consistent performances each week and I reckon we will see a different mentality from Div 1 Captains if the 10 frame format goes through at the AGM. For the sake of the team gaining a result if that means ''out of form players'' sitting it out then I think teams will focus more on the result than pleasing a squad member. Likewise, I think it says a lot about a player if they are honest enough to hold up their hands and acknowledge they are struggling and offer to sit it out.
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| Golden |
Posted on 02-09-2008 17:18
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I agree, the new format has added a new dimension to team selection as has been proved this season in Division One . .
As an example, IMO if The Prop had adopted a smaller squad and playing 5 players week in week out then they would have won the league confortably . . Instead the Unpredictables did just that and with Macca opting to give everyone a game using a bigger squad it's worked out in favour of MOD's men . .
I'd be very surprised if Macca adopted that same strategy in the Winter, especially on the back of this season.
The benefit of the Winter season is that there is the League, League Cup and KO Cup so in effect you could have two or three systems operating within a team where by the squad players play in the cups etc. kind of like how the big football teams put their reserves out for the Carling Cup . .
Alex . . You have a fair sized squad for the forthcoming season . . Without giving too much away and assuming the format does come in for this Winter, will your priority be on winning or giving everyone in your squad a game, knowing what you've seen and experienced with this season?
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Posted on 02-09-2008 17:43
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Is there a strong liklihood that the 10-person 2-set of 5 format doesn't get passed at the AGM and that we'd revert back to 7?
Only ask as I would guess the format works well for a majority of teams, be it, both for teams looking to play 5 players twice, or like us, rotate and play as many different players as we can. As Alex mentioned he rotates like Mourinho, think we tend to rotate like Rafa Benitez and thats why we can't win anything this summer.
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| Truey |
Posted on 02-09-2008 17:47
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I think it is the same for all teams - if the format goes through...
You have to decide if you want to play your full 10 players or just 5 & give the rest the hump....
I would imagine we will play between 8 - 10 depending on numbers/form etc but we would never only play 5 unless that was all we had & this looks unlikely as we have a squad of 11 or 12 this year
If i played for a team & turned up week in week out only to be told we go with the best 5 only & that is it, unless we are short then you may get a game - i think i would be telling them to fcuk off & i'd find another team
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Posted on 02-09-2008 18:03
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This in turn brings into question why would a captain sign up players that they don't plan on using just for the sake of it . .
Should the new format come in, team captains/secretaries are going to have to put their arses on the bacon slicer for once!
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| ThePower |
Posted on 02-09-2008 18:47
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Golden wrote:
Alex . . You have a fair sized squad for the forthcoming season . . Without giving too much away and assuming the format does come in for this Winter, will your priority be on winning or giving everyone in your squad a game, knowing what you've seen and experienced with this season?
We have signed a squad of 12 players for the forthcoming winter season which is a first for us. And just to quell any transfer rumours surrounding Fieldsy, I can confirm Steve will very much be an Eden player for our 08/09 campaign. In addition I have signed two new players for next season. So with such a large squad it will make my job a bit harder.
I probably have assembled my strongest ever squad this season at the Eden, with a mixture of raw talent, youth and experienced players. Scott had a cracking season last winter and we have three players who have just broken into the Croydon interleague squad. I have players who are gaining experience at a higher level. So the expectation levels are high this season, nothing wrong in that as long as you go on and deliver. I think we all have been encouraged what the Unpreds have achieved this summer and I certainly feel the gap continues to narrow each season that passes with world rules being played.
Priority for me is always to win first. We all know each others games in Div 1 and I guess the tricky part is making sure you don't fall short on the team selection and positioning. Take the League Cup semi last season. Swettenham outwitted me with his team selection and it cost us early doors and we never recovered.
If the new format comes in, I doubt I will play a full 10 man squad in the league matches. It may just not work for us against the likes of the Eagles, Prop and Hot Shots. We have players who can cause some damage against those sides if they play 2 frames. League Cup early stages I will go for a 10 man line up, and maybe same for Knockout Cup. It really depends who you draw. Whatever happens, you need to set your stall out early and I have a bunch of players who will accept and fit into whatever format we choose to play. |
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| Coneycueist |
Posted on 02-09-2008 19:04
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bob todd wrote:
i dont often write on this page but at the moment im peed off with the info ive just bin given. a member has just told me that to try and win the league they will only play there best 5 players twice and leave 4 players on the sidelines watching till the end of season, we all want to win but isnt this what the summer league is trying to avoid and the 10 frame games gives everyone a game. bad sportsmanship I THINK
You can't have a system that allows that and then moan when it happens. Personally I think this allocation system is a mistake - it relies far too havily on how captain's choose to interpret the spirit of the law.
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Posted on 02-09-2008 19:04
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With both the Eagles and Hotshots understrength fom last year, the transition currently at the Prop and the new format, I would suspect that their is every chance of a previously deemed 'mid table team' challenging for the title this year.
And not before time really...
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