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Special rules for Mr Altes
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| Faz Da Fisher |
Posted on 09-07-2011 20:59
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Now before I begin on my rant I want to make perfectly clear I have nonissue in playing rod Altes in the singles or hve issue with the man himself. What I do have a problem is the special treatment he is receiving. Now I was eating my dinner today and I get a phone call from steve bird better halfs secretary saying the obvious rod is banned from Rileys we need to rearrange the match I said let me speak to Halsley to get a grasp of what's going on here.
Conversation with mark Halsley. He stated under no circumstances must this match be postponed the ban between rod and Rileys is independent of the league and it's members and therefore rods match must be agreed to be played at a different venue. Well I recall
A certain mr Jackson who was banned from Rileys and kicked out of all comps when drawn at Rileys. Secondly now there is a deal with the league for Rileys to hold all last 16 matches onwards this information from Halsley came as a bit of a surprise to me. I said he knew he was eventually getting drawn at Rileys whilst banned how is this possible I have to bend over to be " potentially b&d and dished lol. He went onto say if rod reaches the later stages of the tournament which hopefully he won't his matches will be moved from Rileys to the Farley. Go figure.Rileys agreed to this.
It is just another example of the league changing the goalposts for people.
I have now rearranged the match to a venue of my choosing the flying machine biggin hill very close to me  and rod has gracefully accepted.
I am in utter disbelief on how this can happen admittedly I means its not my fault I play from Rileys but it could be seen as his fault for getting himself banned.
Mr Halsley please can you inform me in future so next time I have time to butter up my bottom before you decide to f*ck me
Anyway enough moaning I'll look forward to kicking a certain mans ass on Monday evening.
Please feel free to give me your opinions oh and 1 more thing good luck rod
Edited by Faz Da Fisher on 09-07-2011 21:04
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| Knocky |
Posted on 09-07-2011 21:54
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well i must admit i think you have a valid point,its not your fault that rod got banned from rileys and you were drawn at home so why should you have to bend over as you put it.i do hope you win as im sure if rod was to get to the final rileys wouldnt be too pleased to see the singles final held at a different location and who could blame them.
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| Pondlife |
Posted on 09-07-2011 23:20
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The situation regarding Rod Altes could and should have been foreseen. He has elected to play for a lower division side because he could see that a very high percentage of division one teams play out of various Rileys venues . It is sad that he is banned from all Rileys halls for life . Perhaps he might consider appealing the harshness of the sentence . But back to the topic. The proposed Rileys sponsorship deal was discussed in some length at the AGM. It was always extremely likely that, in the present financial climate, we would accept the deal which appeared to be very generous . In these circumstances Rod should not have been allowed to enter the competition in the first place . His continued participation in the knockout competitions should not be allowed . If Rileys are happy for him to carry on playing ,let them suspend the sentence and allow him back,perhaps on a probationary basis !!  |
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| Knocky |
Posted on 10-07-2011 00:07
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in other words the commitee messed up and rod should not have been allowed to enter the comps that rileys sponser.
i would suggest that mark gets in contact with rileys to ask that rods ban be lifted,
plus the unpredictables are playing rods team in the ko cup in a few weeks time,now the game should be played at rileysbut as rods banned shall we play it at the farley.(please advise)
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| Mr Cee |
Posted on 10-07-2011 00:10
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at the end of the day riley's have banned rod! rod was not prepared to go and badger riley's to have his ban lifted but always knew that there could be a possibility of being drawn at a riley's venue some stage in the croydon competitions and even thought about with-drawing from them! so why do riley's not lift his ban for these occassions which would make it easier as they are in with croydon pool league as a host of the competitions?
what happened to innocent till proven guilty
defamation of character springs to mind....!
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| longshanks |
Posted on 10-07-2011 00:27
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This has to be sorted out because the same problem will occur in the next round. 
Mr Cee - clubs can ban whoever they want. But I agree they should lift the ban for singles/doubles matches, but not team games. |
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| Teach |
Posted on 10-07-2011 15:30
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The problem we have are two extremes. From what I gather, Rod has been barred from every Rileys (is that for life? I'm not sure). You then have the Croydon league who as far as I can gather have done nothing about Rod despite the alleged incident happening during a cup game and against another registered member.
That's where the problems lie. Either Rod is guilty of something (case closed) or he is innocent until proven guilty. There needs to be consistency.
Either way.... I don't for the life of me understand why Farron should lose home advantage.
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| longshanks |
Posted on 10-07-2011 16:24
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Teach
I think the League would only ban someone if a formal complaint had been lodged. |
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| Viper |
Posted on 10-07-2011 20:32
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I do not normally answer to opinions or justify my actions to opinions raised on this website but nevertheless I have been in contact with Rileys higher mnanagement over this ban which remains in force until the outcome of the impending court case. I am here to represent all members in the league and promote fair play and sportmanship. The league have not banned Rod Altes for any wrong doings so if he is drawn to play away in the comps at a venue that has chosen to ban him then one would presume that that organisation would be willing to overlook the matter for that particular evening so as not to impede one of its own members by forfeiting home advantage as any match that Rod Altes has to play at Rileys whilst he remains in the competitions will be played at another venue to be decided by the two respective secretaries. That is the call and that is how it is until an alternative direction is given to me at the appropriate time by the membership and if people are not aware what that appropriate time is then for your information they are the two general meetings that the league hold in september and february bi-annual. Rileys have agreed an appendix to our agreement that should Rod Altes reach the last 16 of the individual competitions then that/those matches up until and including the final will be played at an alternate venue that the league nominate. I will be more than happy to discuss this matter further at the AGM in september should the matter arise. |
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| handbrake |
Posted on 10-07-2011 21:14
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First and for most I would like to start by saying I've been a close friend of rods for a number of years, and god knows he had had more cooked dinners at my house than I have!! Lol but I always say it how I c it and for someone to have to give up they home advantage against rod through no fault of they own is a disgrace!! let's face it most players need all the help they can get get while playing rod, if the alleged incident had indeed nothing to do with the leauge (and I was they) than why is it affecting the league , no player should be forced to change venue if they don't want too, what was the point of doing the draw, sorry mark Hasley and co u are got this tottaly wrong |
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| Mr Cee |
Posted on 11-07-2011 04:21
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its down to mr halsey to communicate with the head of riley's and try to get this matter sorted out as soon as possible it would make perfect sense to allow rod in rileys venue's just for games then he is to leave the premises its ok for people to throw mud about other people but those throwing the mud ain't no saint either as they seem to think and was also banned from riley's venue's for THREATENING A FEMALE MEMBER OF STAFF (cough) over nothing more then being allowed a free table at half past 11 at night, its also clear that jacko dislikes rod for what ever reason that is he opinion and choice but rod has not been found guilty of nothing and should be treated that way until proven otherwise.
this is a friendly league and all the teams i have come across in my time of playing in the league have had loads of banter fun and laughs and enjoyed the night away from there other half's so without this matter getting any further into a slanging match it would be better for mr halsey to converse with rileys and try to get this matter sorted.
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| Viper |
Posted on 11-07-2011 12:20
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I have contacted Rileys management on this matter and have been informed that until the outcome of the impending court case is known, Rod Altes ban from Rileys on a nationwide basis remains in force and there is nothing I can do about that and I have mentioned this in an earlier post. I respect that everyone has an opinion on matters but it appears that I am seen as judge, jury and executioner re Rod's current and maybe future opponents if he is drawn to play at Rileys previous to the last 16 stage when, at the end of the day, it is Rileys themselves that is impeding their members. As I have said, I have made the call and it is one of them that never satisfies everybody but someone has to unfortunately and I am not a stranger to controversy when it comes to making decisions but my underlying intention is to be fair to all concerned and to that I made a statement that alternate venues previous to the last 16 stage were to be agreed between the 2 secretaries but upon reflection that really should read that any Rileys player will decide on the alternate venue. I suggest that this now is put to sleep and discussed in full in September so that there is a guideline/direction in place for the future regarding banned players from venues. |
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| Faz Da Fisher |
Posted on 11-07-2011 15:24
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As previously stated I am happy to play tonight but there is just one more thing I was told no postponements for my match tonight yet rod's secretary can postpone his game in order to drive rod to his game???? I truly can't wait till September AGM
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| Mr Cee |
Posted on 11-07-2011 15:38
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jacko am i a nob and is there a way you could prove it.....? Farron your a joker stop the bitching let the pool do the talkin..... |
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| Viper |
Posted on 11-07-2011 15:38
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Farron,
No disrespect intended here but during our conversation the topic of a "Postponement" was never mentioned. What I said to you was that I would not accept a Walkover Claim in respects of Rod Altes not being able to play at the venue. I do sympathise with your predicament but your argument should also be directed at the club that your a member of and not just at me or the League in general. I look forward to discussing this with you in September and perhaps a foundation can be laid that this is the last time that the League have to get involved in matters that they have no control over or indeed no involvement in. Just as a footnote, the same decision would have been taken had it been any other member of the league and not Rod Altes as the Tony Jackson episode a few years back was not a satisfactory conclusion either. On a personal note and not a League Secretary note, it pisses me off (only sometimes !!) that I have to get involved in these matters but if I am then I will call it as I see it and unfortunately you have been brought into this through no fault of your own. |
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| Truey |
Posted on 11-07-2011 17:13
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Just to add my 2 pence worth...Surely a walkover win should be accepted as you are not meant to change or postpone any fixtures
Too be honest if he is banned from Rileys then he should do the honourable thing & not enter a comp sponsered by them & mainly fixtures played in the clubs owned by them...
i don't give a $h!te but it does seem odd that you say a walkover can't be claimed - will you pay for Farron's cab to an altern venue ?
Farron just bash him up & end it - on the table of course......Violence is not accepted in this league
Unless of course you are a certain player or play for a certain team 
Edited by Truey on 11-07-2011 17:15
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| Whatapisstake |
Posted on 11-07-2011 18:32
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my ten pence worth !!!! think mark is right it is out of his hands until the court case issue is resovled.. i also think farron you have a valid point and also shows youve grown up into a man and shown great sportsmanship in playing rod to night !!! on notes that rod does not turn up on presentation nite mr jackson there in also been valid reason because rod has been involved in region 7 on that day and the further he progressed and the time it finshed rod was unable to turn up!!!i think youve taken it a tad too far yes people no what rod hobby is but to slap it up on here is bang out of order .. i guess come september your b asking for the league to take drug tests!! you yourself have been involved were if i remember u were barred as mark halsey put john hersey after his mistake and hughie aswell with a sisutation with alex !! rod is beatable but people seemmed to b threatened by his pool abilty, i think its a shame he cannot just turn up play his game and leave .. so good luck to both players tonight ......
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| Shaggy |
Posted on 11-07-2011 18:39
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I do not know the facts behid the case although that said if a legal case is being prerpared, then it is only reaonable for Rileys to ban someone from their premises.
The league can only act upon an event if a complaint is made by the victim, or possibly the venues manager should they feel it necessary to reprimand the away team or players. If a complaint was not received then no action can be taken.
From Rods perspective he is a player not banned from the league, who plays fro a team that has paid to affiliate to that said league.
I can see it from both points of view but I dont think Rod should be prevented from entering any competition, and that if the league have already covered this with Rileys (rightly or wrongly) that fixtures would have to be found alternative venues, then that is pretty much cut and dried.
Violece as Truey says should not be accepted, however from my experience of seeing a couple of fights over the years in this league, they are seldom one sided in terms of how they were derived.
This is not me defending Rod by the way its more defending the application process that was put in place by the league. Whether the process is correct is open to debate, but you cant criticise the organiser for following what was agreed.
Edited by Shaggy on 11-07-2011 19:17
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| Dogger |
Posted on 11-07-2011 19:14
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Farron,
Are you actually playing your game down the flyer tonight? If so mate you might want to give our secretary Paul a ring and warn him as 3 of our players all have singles matches tonight all at home, so might have to wait a bit for the table. Doesn't matter though, its only a short journey. For you.
Im actually up from portsmouth a day early this week so may pop down the flyer and watch |
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| Faz Da Fisher |
Posted on 11-07-2011 19:26
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After some sensible consideration I have agreed to play rod on his doorstep at the Farley I can't do much more apart from patch him 2-0 lol this what not a personal dig at rod or mark Halsley i was just voicing an opinion of annoyance regarding the hassle to find an alternative venue and losing home advantage so let the game begin
I would like to state also I did not ask to claim the win I truly wanted to play rod and I know this was not
Intended at myself Andrew but I am
Neither scared of rods pool ability, his hobby or the man himself and I'm sure I will have a very good chance tonight considering all our past meetings in different leagues have been even.
Plus I would like to mention rod deserves to play in the comp like any other but the handling of situation could have been done better this was basically done and dusted before I was even informed
Anyway enough is enough may the best man win. Hopefully me.
Edited by Faz Da Fisher on 11-07-2011 19:41
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