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| GrantS |
Posted on 02-09-2010 00:47
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Me too mate, like to have a beer and a laugh. Much of what is posted is about existing pool people commenting on established teams dying out, which is fine, all I have tried to do is ask the question about trying to attract genuinely new teams/people entering and staying in the league. The death of pubs (small/no profit each week versus sale for one of large amount of dosh to property developers - no brainer for them)/change of lifestyles/less disposable income, etc. for non-league people may make this mission impossible, but it's that or sit back and watch the league shrink.
I was going to suggest (apologies if re-hashing an old idea) as a thought a tournament sponsored by the League specifically for non-league people with basic rules, advertised across Croydon, and see if anyone new is interested on the day. Others can probably come up with better suggestions.
As for being classed as a jumped up moron, I had no idea I was that advanced....and as I'm allergic to exercise I don't jump for anyone, it's more of a slow vertical ascent... |
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| Chuckie |
Posted on 02-09-2010 00:57
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chuckles wrote:
Chuckie wrote:
It?s more to do with pubs closing down combined with the smoking ban.
The stats say that only 26% of people smoke in England now. As half of those are women and there are few women in the league that make appx 13% of the population. How can that few people be responsible for the decline of the league?
You cannot divide 26 by 2 and say 13% of males are smokers.
If men and women smoke equal amounts and 26% of the overall population are smokers, then it?ll be 26% of males who smoke and 26% of females who smoke.
Men actually smoke more than women, which would increase the male percentage from 26%. And those who play pool are more likely to smoke than those who live in rich areas meaning the overall percentage of Croydon Pool players who smoke is logically much higher than 26%!
But I doubt the smoking ban is a major factor to blame for the decline in cue sports?
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| chuckles |
Posted on 03-09-2010 02:26
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GrantS wrote:
I was going to suggest (apologies if re-hashing an old idea) as a thought a tournament sponsored by the League specifically for non-league people with basic rules, advertised across Croydon, and see if anyone new is interested on the day. Others can probably come up with better suggestions.
I great idea in theory, but where would it be held? The problem with that is it would have to be held at RPW as its the only place with enough tables. As has been said by numerous above. they don't want to go there, plus there is the access problem. unless you don't mind driving.
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Posted on 03-09-2010 02:43
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You cannot divide 26 by 2 and say 13% of males are smokers.
If men and women smoke equal amounts and 26% of the overall population are smokers, then it?ll be 26% of males who smoke and 26% of females who smoke.
Men actually smoke more than women, which would increase the male percentage from 26%. And those who play pool are more likely to smoke than those who live in rich areas meaning the overall percentage of Croydon Pool players who smoke is logically much higher than 26%!
But I doubt the smoking ban is a major factor to blame for the decline in cue sports?[/quote]
I beg to differ. eg
100 people. 50 men, 50 women. 26% of the 100 smoke. on average that will mean 13 women smoke and 13 men smoke.
Although more men do smoke, the percentage difference, nationally, is 2%. so the above Eg will move from 13 each to 12-14 to men. OK I'll give you that one it's actually 14%.
I don't see what wealth has to do with who smokes or whether you play pool or not. You are a smoker or not.
But I do agree that the smoking ban has nothing to do with the decline of pub sports.
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| Chuckie |
Posted on 03-09-2010 07:24
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chuckles wrote:
I beg to differ. eg
100 people. 50 men, 50 women. 26% of the 100 smoke. on average that will mean 13 women smoke and 13 men smoke.
13 (the number of male smokers in your example) is 26% of 50 (the overall population of males).
(13/50) * 100 = 26
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I don't see what wealth has to do with who smokes or whether you play pool or not. You are a smoker or not.
People who go to a gym on a tuesday night are less likely to smoke than those who go to a pub/bar.
Taking my shots looking cool, my self-esteem?s growing tall.
Losing eyes this game is cruel. I do my thing playing pool.
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| andye |
Posted on 03-09-2010 14:18
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72.5% of stats are made up anyway...!!!
it probably all boils down to money, for both players and venues...
so it's all blairs fault... simples! |
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| the flash |
Posted on 03-09-2010 17:25
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I think there any many reasons for the decline and Shaggy's post hits a lot of them on the head. Cue sports in general are dying and it all filters down the line. A lot of players would come from people and young kids playing snooker then moving to play pool because they were in the clubs a lot, this doesnt happen anymore, with not much tv coverage snooker has no real interest anymore (just about dead unless you live in China). It's also so much easier for people to drink at home with friends or playing xbox, wii, etc, thats why pubs are closing(blame Tesco's).
Pool has always been a pub game and having played it up and down the country the rules are never the same from pub to pub, you cant blame world rules as it actually makes the game easier. A league I played in Cambridgeshire was made up of all the little local villages and every village had at least 2 teams, the population was 1/4 of croydon yet it had 4 divisions, because everyone went to the pub as there was nothing else to do and they also had 4 different sets of rules depending on what pub you where in, but played league under one set of rules. I bet a lot who say dont want to play those rules didnt really want to give the commitment in the first place.
As far as holding a comp to get new people involed, it's not the invidual that needs targeting it's the pubs that have pool tables and dont have a team, i'm sure if pubs where given a first years free entry to get them interested they would get a team together. On this point is the league fee to high ?, should the fee change the lower the division your in, is it fair to charge a new team or an established middle of division 4 team, the same amount as the prop, eagles or hotshots, the upper division one teams and there players get far more from the league than a player in division 4 who is just out for the craic and have no real chance of winning anything.
In addition to all thats been written when it comes down to it, 8 ball pool is just a pub and recreation game, it has no real money involved in it and has practicly no tv coverage so why would new people be interested in playing it when they have no exposure to it.
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| Dogger |
Posted on 03-09-2010 18:02
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the flash wrote:
As far as holding a comp to get new people involed, it's not the invidual that needs targeting it's the pubs that have pool tables and dont have a team, i'm sure if pubs where given a first years free entry to get them interested they would get a team together. On this point is the league fee to high ?, should the fee change the lower the division your in, is it fair to charge a new team or an established middle of division 4 team, the same amount as the prop, eagles or hotshots, the upper division one teams and there players get far more from the league than a player in division 4 who is just out for the craic and have no real chance of winning anything.
I totally agree with that.
Yes, if the league fees were lower the division you were in the trophies etc would have to be smaller. But then it would give the lower teams the drive to progress up the leagues to get the better trophies.
Take Pot Luck/Pot Noodle for example. Obviously they had a bit of a bad time in their first season, understandably. But then in the Summer they have gone into Div 5, and in the same place, bottom. Of course, they are all new young players who are out for the craic and to learn and enjoy playing pool. But they haven't signed up in the Winter. Could this be because of the fees? Do they really feel its worth ?170 to them?
If this is the case I reckon if their was a difference in entry fees depending on the Division you were in, then they, and other may have signed up.
If you try to go to a pub that has a pool table but no team and explain the league to them, how it works etc, I'm sure they would be very interested, maybe a few regulars, locals, could get a team together. But as soon as you mention it costs over ?150 just to enter then it would be a no thanks.
I think a lower fee for lower divisions would definitely help in attracting new teams/pubs.
Obviously this would have to be discussed in depth and worked out but I believe its something that should be addressed as it could be the lifeline the league needs. |
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| GrantS |
Posted on 03-09-2010 18:33
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Good ideas Flash & Dogger. It's this or we go round in circles waffling on about why it's shrinking as opposed to at least trying to do something about it. May I add to your posts my earlier idea for new teams of offering proper coaching on rules, protocols, etc. to try and maximise chances of them staying long term. |
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| chuckles |
Posted on 04-09-2010 19:18
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GrantS wrote:
Good ideas Flash & Dogger. It's this or we go round in circles waffling on about why it's shrinking as opposed to at least trying to do something about it. May I add to your posts my earlier idea for new teams of offering proper coaching on rules, protocols, etc. to try and maximise chances of them staying long term.
Sounds like a plan. Where, When, Who and how do you advertise it, to get maximum attendance.
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| the-shark |
Posted on 05-09-2010 18:54
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either target pubs with pool tables who are not in the league with flyers or just pop in there pubs yourself giving details of the league with a contact number of the league its self or the web address would seem the best way! im sure most of us know pubs or clubs that have pool tables and no teams! with the pub trade as it is maybe a reduced fee and a chance to bring in some extra trade on a tues they maybe interested.
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| chuckles |
Posted on 07-09-2010 23:41
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That's the how sorted. Just need to sort the who. Could people send in names and addresses to this site of pubs with pool tables that don't have teams, and maybe the league could send out fliers advertising the league
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| The_Saxtonator |
Posted on 08-09-2010 06:21
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The AGM will be held Thursday week, 16th September
I believe that the deadline for submitting proposals to be voted on has now passed, however some of these ideas could still be discussed and raised as proposals where relevant at the half year meeting in February next year |
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