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The 2014 Summer League has currently 30 accepted teams and 3 reserve teams, 5 Down, BLC Boshers and Another View that has paid their full subscription fees which is being held on file awaiting any further late teams (possible 4 with One Player Short’s application form and fee being awaited). Should no futher teams apply by Saturday 19th April then I would like to hear views about the Summer League being increased to 12 teams per division with a BYE in each. The problem that this will cause is that 4 extra weeks would have to be found in the playing calendar and until I know what numbers are going to be entered into the KO competitions then it is hard at this stage to know where to find these 4 extra dates. What I do know is that at some stage 2 league matches would have to be also played on a Monday night as well as the normal Tuesday (as we do have 2 natural Tuesday dates that are free before the 2014/15 Winter League starts) and to find these extra Mondays I could find those 2 by holding all KO & Plate finals on the same night. Would you be happy for me to jostle around the fixture lists once I become aware of the numbers involved within the KO comps. The double up league matches would be Mon 15th & 22nd September.

Just as a reminder that the KO entries have to be received by Friday 18th April

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Hi Mark

One player short will definitely be playing in the summer league, i think Alan has sent off the form now, & i am fairly confident we will continue to live up to our name & continue to turn up 1 player short several times throughout the season.

Although hopefully we may have the Legend that is Steve Deegan back for all home games.

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"All that, for that?" :D:

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After taking into consideration valid points and views regarding the set up of the 2014 Summer season and having a lengthy conversation with the chairman it has been decided that the League will be formed of 3 divisions of 12 teams with all league matches to be played on a Tuesday night with no weekly double ups on a Monday night for League matches. This will encroach upon the 2014/15 Winter League season by 2 weeks and the provisional way of thinking at this moment is that there are 50 playing Tuesdays a year, taking into consideration the 2 week break over Christmas, so having a 22 week league season in both the summer and winter this will leave 6 playing Tuesdays to play the 1st stage round robin of the League Cup competition. Currently we use 9 weeks seeing that the groups are formed of 4 x 10 teams (inc Byes). If we condense the groups to a maximum of 6 teams then dependent on the actual teams that do enter the next winter league then 5 of these Tuesdays can accommodate those matches. This will increase the number of groups taking the 2013/14 season as an example so the number that eventually qualify for the 2nd stage will be reduced in each group to accommodate this. We can discuss this fully at the AGM in September when numbers will be known. I can confirm that there are 34 teams entered into the Summer League at present so Divisions 2 and 3 will have 1 Bye with Division 1 having none.

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Super

Mark Haudsley :bow:

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This a copy of an e-mail that I have sent out to the rest of the committee this morning and I will take open views from the membership on here.


Lads,

I had a discussion with Andy Patrick last night re The Folly being shuffled up to Div.1 ,,,, Their argument was that the Farley Dukes had signed up players like Mev Ali, Graf Bishop and Mick O'Donnell (possibly Mick Samuels as well) who were with The UnPredictables who have not entered the summer league and they felt that players with that quality should not be in Div.3 and that Farley Dukes should take The UnPredictables status. Now thats all well and good but it would be just be a quick fix for 2014.

What is needed I think is to abolish the practise of teams being shuffled up over relegated teams and that relegated teams should be shuffled back up if the need arises. Geoff Glass introduced this system many moons ago and I think its now time to seriously review the situation as the system of forming divisions is not cast in stone within our rules. The argument was that if teams are relegated then they should stay relegated as it was not fair to re-instate them into their previous division if shuffle-ups were to apply but on the other hand surely its also unfair to shuffle-up teams that finished 3rd, 4th, 5th etc etc who were not good enough to be promoted. Its a sticking point I know but does need to be looked at.

This is how the summer league set up would look if we was to abolish the Shuffle-Up system as it stands

Your views lads would be appreciated.


Division 1
THE PROPELLER
THE BETTER HALFS
THE WARBANK
FORUM ‘A’
LOCK,STOCK & 2EB’s
FRAMES RACK PACK
THE WIZARDS (R/SU)
RILEYS SNOOKER (R/SU)
FARLEY LOYALISTS (P)
LEGENDS (P)
GOODFELLAS (SU)
AWFUL JUAN & ONE FERRULE (SU)

Division 2
BROMLEY LABOUR CLUB BOSHERS (LT)
THE FOLLY
ONE PLAYER SHORT (LT)
MAPLE TREE
THE VIEW TO A KILL (R/SU)
FARLEY DUKES (R/SU)
RILEYS MISFITS (P)
PENGE CON BOYS (P)
FARLEY SMALL POTATOES (SU)
JOLLY SAILOR (SU)
FLYING MACHINE (SU)
BYE

Division 3
ANOTHER VIEW (LT)
THE LORD NAPIER
LANGLEY LODGERS (R/SU)
BIGGIN BLUNDELLS (P)
CUE SLAMMERS (P)
PAWLEYNE QUIRKS
PAWLEYNE ARMS
5 DOWN (LT)
FORUM ‘B’
PCC ORIGINALS (NT)
YOU’VE BEEN FRAMED (DNT)
BYE

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Just to give the situation a bit more context, The Folly finished 6th in Div 2 last season after previously struggling to retain our place in the division. As a team we look to enjoy Tuesdays nights and have a few beers and play some pool. For the majority of the team this is the only time a week we play and whilst we all try our best to win and want to continue to improve, the enjoyment factor is important. To finish 6th and then get shuffled up to Div 1 where we would inevitably get a battering most weeks would in all likelihood only serve to send us all home fed up every Tuesday night and negate the main reason we come out to play. If we were to get to Div 1 on merit then that is different but as a team we are only just establishing ourselves as a Div 2 side.

Mark did say that the current requirement is that teams get shuffled up in the order that they finished the previous season. Should there be no objections from other members I am more than happy for a team that finished below us to go up in our place should they so wish. However, should that not be possible, and in view of the decision made at the AGM a couple of years ago that “new teams” should not necessarily be put in at the bottom but should be placed in a division based on the ability of the players in the team, I do think that the potential make-up of this summer’s Farley Dukes (whilst not a “new team”) is a comparable situation.

At no point was my intention to see other teams who had originally been shuffled up to higher divisions, and did want to play there, penalised and this continues to be the case. I would much rather another team take our place in Div 1 for the summer (whether this be a team that finished below us in Div 2 last summer and would like a crack at Div 1 or the Farley Dukes) and then if the other member teams were in favour of Mark’s proposal on relegated teams/shuffling up, for this to take effect from next winter league.

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Andy, I appreciated and respected your comments last night and the same for your post here but at the end of the day, whether the Farley Dukes are shuffled up into Div.1 (which they are going to be after my discussion with Mark Bannister this morning and within the permitted committee discretion given to us by the members at the AGM you mentioned) ........ It still is a quick fix.

What is needed is clear defined guidelines re setting up a league and the sticking point is with relegated and shuffled up teams. We are using a system I believe is outdated now as a relegated team has in fact finished in a higher position than any shuffled up team from the previous season. It does not make my job any easier when Divisions are increased by a further 2 teams as well but a simple solution is always the best one.

The closing date for entries for the 2014 Summer season was the 19th March and here we are on the 9th April and I am no nearer to knowing team status’s. I am trying to find a happy medium should I say to be fair to 99.9% of the membership and I think that I have found it but am open to constructive suggestions.

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Thanks Mark and thanks for your voicemail which I have now picked up explaining the developments. I totally agree with you that a review of the current process is required. I appreciate you have a difficult job to do trying to satisfy all the teams and make it fair for all participants and greatly appreciate the time you have taken to resolve The Folly's personal request. Thanks also to Mark B for his understanding.

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I haven't spoke to Mark Bannister yet so I don't know his opinion on this or indeed the other players in the team, but I think it is really unfair and it's not right to move the Dukes up to div 1. just because we have signed 2 players of div 1 standard, who asked if they could join because they just wanted to come out and have fun on Tuesday that the team get moved up. Remember all the players from this season are still the same and they will all be playing every match, so you are going to put up a team that is currently 3rd in div 3 because we have signed 2 players that just wanted to join the team to have a good night out.

I also find teams complaining about who is signed also out of order, do they know the rest of the team, have they played us this season. 2 added players doesn't make us a div 1 team. What were our results in the cup, we scrapped through in 4th place, we then lost heavily both are cup games against div 1 and div 2 teams and just beat are own div opponents, would 2 more wins have made any difference.

However you wish to justify what is happening and even if Mark and the team agree and want to play div I, I still think it is wrong and incredibly unfair.

One last point, as someone who post her often and knows more about pool than most, I would ask Shaggy what he thinks as we played them in the cup at home, does he think the adding of Mev and Graf(who will likely only play 1 game each) make us a div 1 team.

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Mr flash,

U make a food point there but what I will add to your comment is

Surly having a season in div 1 will benefit your game will kinda make u lot better players!! Also won't it be good on the old cv to have had a season in div 1? U have zero pressure on your selfs u have nothing to lose!! Try it out u never no u may cause some great upsets!!!!! If I was u I'd be excited to have the new challenge bro!

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Without being disrespectful to anyone, John Hoy was the only player in the team that would be capable of playing and winning on a regular basis in Div 1, the team as was, would struggle severely in Div 1.

If Graf and Mev played twice every week then the team would be fine I am sure, 3 good players playing twice is probably good enough to get some results, it is unlikely to be good enough to turn you in to a 'super team' though.

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Special K,

I myself have played and won div 1 previously and my game is on the way down now rather than up, so not that much of a big thing for me. I have really enjoyed playing div3 this season, as it is more about a night out of pool and enjoying yourself.

Isn't your statement also the same for the Folly, even more so for them as they are a div 2 team.

As for the team, getting beat most weeks won't be fun for them. Mev and Graf and not going to get 2 games every week, the whole team will have a game and as it is now the 3rd game goes to different players. You will also be robbing them of having the pleasure of winning div 3/div 2 is that fair ??. Some players in the team have played in the league for a long, long time and not won much if anything and they were excited that they had a serious chance of actually winning something, again is it fair to take it from them and give them a favourites chance of going straight back down.

Also in the point of it's only one season, that is true, but it is then 3 seasons until you get back to right division.

However you want to dress it up it is unfair and wrong. Div 3 to Div 1, i'm sure there are plenty of teams in-between who should be moved up first

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Flash, I respect your comments but I suggest you do speak to MB as along with Mev and Graf there is serious talk that Mick O'Donnell, Francois Tertulian and Mick Samuels signing. I have spoken to MB and his words were that "It might be embarrasing playing in Div.3 with these players" ....... and I have to make him right.

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Mick O Donnell was signing and saying that he didn't want to play it was for a night out and maybe have the odd game and Micky Samuels doesn't want to sign (according to him this morning). MB is a gentlemen who wouldn't want to cause a fuss.

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As I said, speak to your team secretary and get him to speak to me

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I'm signing for the dukes as well lol
This has been blown out of all poop
Wether or not Graf and MeV play for the dukes in the 3 rd division makes no differance to the team,have you seen Graf play this season (poop)lol
If I played for a team in a lower division I would like to play a top player just to claim a moral boast beating them.
Let them remain where they are
That's my view anyway

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Why don't the Unpredictables just enter their own team? They can then slot straight into the div 1 spot that nobody seems to want and that would also remove one of the byes from a lower division.

I'm sure your comment was tongue in cheek about Graf but he was by far your best player last week! Not bad for a team with Mev and Mr Shaw in, eh?

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This will be what the League programme will be based on when I prepare the fixture lists next saturday

Division 1
THE PROPELLER
THE BETTER HALFS
THE WARBANK
FARLEY DUKES (R/SU)
FORUM ‘A’
LOCK,STOCK & 2EB’s
FRAMES RACK PACK
THE WIZARDS (R/SU)
RILEYS SNOOKER (R/SU)
FARLEY LOYALISTS (P)
LEGENDS (P)
BIGGIN BLUNDELLS (P/SU)

Division 2
GOODFELLAS
AWFUL JUAN & ONE FERRULE
BROMLEY LABOUR CLUB BOSHERS (LT)
THE FOLLY
ONE PLAYER SHORT (LT)
MAPLE TREE
THE VIEW TO A KILL (R/SU)
RILEYS MISFITS (P)
PENGE CON BOYS (P)
FARLEY SMALL POTATOES (SU)
JOLLY SAILOR (SU)
BYE

Division 3
FLYING MACHINE
PAWLEYNE QUIRKS
ANOTHER VIEW (LT)
THE LORD NAPIER
LANGLEY LODGERS (R/SU)
CUE SLAMMERS (P)
PAWLEYNE ARMS (SU)
5 DOWN (LT/SU)
FORUM ‘B’ (SU)
PCC ORIGINALS (NT/SU)
YOU’VE BEEN FRAMED (DNT/SU)
BYE

PR = Promoted Teams from 2013
R = Relegated Teams from 2013
NT = New Teams for 2014
DNT = Deemed New Teams from 2013
SU = Shuffled Up after closing date and revision
LT = Late Teams who entered after closing date

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I speak for myself, absolute disgrace !!, I hope MH that your efforts have personally made the folly happy. A sad, sad state of affairs.

The fact a team can complain about how hard there opposition is and they get moved !!!!!(even though they supposedly only come out for fun)

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Flash, its all about fair play and not another Biggin Blundells winning the division by 46 points, who by the way have also been shuffled up to Div.1 ...... It has nothing to do with doing The Folly a favour as I don't do favours in my position. You will have the quorum of the unpredictables signed for your team and whether you play them or not then that is your team captains perogative but nevertheless according to your secretary they will be part of your team.

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so if a team wants to improve itself, getting a couple of better players in, they then get punished even though they haven't won anything, yeah sounds fair, well you might find some of those players de register as they are upset with what has happened due to them.

And when someone privately (previous messages stated) has a word on something they don't like, even when they are wrong and get what they want, i'd say thats doing them a favour, whether you do it on purpose or not.

I'm not going to change my opinion no matter what you say, you are wrong in so many ways, but going on about it isn't going to change it, I've seen fixed horse races that have more credence than this decision.

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Flash, I’m all for a team trying to improve themselves but when you sign and in the process of signing best part of an established 1st Division side (with the exception of only 2 players that are not) and it is brought to the attention of the committee then it needs to be looked at. I have had no arguments raised by your team secretary who has confirmed the above. We have had over the years the teams that deliberately entered late to be put in a lower division and teams that signed good players after the seasons fixtures were circulated and at the end of the day the divisions should reflect the standard of players and that is not being disrespectful to a good, moderate or fun night out player. This committee will never keep everyone happy but you can be assured that a seen level parity of play is trying to be achieved. I don’t think that I have anymore to add on the matter but do look forward to hearing collective comments at the AGM in September. I spent the best part of 13 hours yesterday preparing the fixture lists, result cards etc etc etc and the summer league is now set up other than the KO competitions that I will deal with next weekend. Have a good season.

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Hey Mr. Teach, I think everyone has bypassed your post without comment ! I absolutely agree with you mate.
Why can't or aren't The Unpreds fielding their own team this summer and let the Divs pan out the way you describes. Afterall it's extra revenue into the League and I'm sure I can count atleast 6 of The Unpreds joining the Dukes.
It's a bit like the CueMasters saying they're taking a break for the summer and then joining The BLC Boshers, but they don't,they actually take a break. Apart from Mr. Teach that is. He's a true Loyalist, in every sense of the word.

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Hansdodishes, how do you work out 6 players !!. Mev came to me when the summer was being decided and asked if the team would mind him joining as he just wanted to fun and not take it to serious in the summer, The team were happy for that, Graf heard and then he asked. Mick and Fran were joining a team Micky Samuals was making but that fell through. MOD asked to join as he likes his Tuesday nights out. It is hardly signing the whole team and I believe the Upreds didn't have a team last season and maybe the season before that either.

And Mark that is what annoys me the most, you and others are making out this was a cunning underhanded plan to win the league, did we enter Mev and Graf after the time, where the forms sent in late, the answer is no to both.

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I'm an unpredictable and not playing in the summer but if the folly are short of players I would love to give them a hand and I think Micky Samuels would sign up as well for the summer,just for the fun of course.

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Johnny HoyHoyHoy, you know I luvya but you're way off beam here.

As much as I find Andy's animosity towards 1st div players rather petty, the fact is I think the Folly would rather throw games than get promoted to div 1. His problem isn't us being in div 2, it's them being in div 1! That's why he offered for any team to take the Folly's place, and his suggesting the Dukes I'm sure was actually meant as a favour.

Also, if Mick and Micky have signed then we will indeed have 6 former Unpreds in the team. I don't think anyone is suggesting we've done this deliberately to win a div 2 trophy - we're quite capable of winning div 1 and having fun doing it.

My fear is that the Ban Man, being the gent that he is, has allowed a bunch of players he didn't want to join his team. That's partly your fault - you're stuck with us now :elol:

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John, how you construde my posts I have no say in the matter but I along with the League's committee have never thought of any underhanded plan going on. I used those examples to show what steps we will take if it is blatantly obvious and brought to our attention that a team is too strong for a certain division and the membership have given us license to act accordingly ....... Its nothing personal.

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to change the subject slightly I have joined One man short, Mr Halsey is it too late to enter the singles and for me and Steve Deegan to enter the doubles?

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Its not too late but i do need your registrations to validate your entries.

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Oh dear, thats at least two div 1 players in a div 2 team, Folly won't be happy !!!!

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nuttmeg is tony nuttman.... you must have thought it was someone else john...!!!

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cheeky bastad Ive been in Division 1 longer than you've had your hair piece.

you are right though:snigger:

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RasFas - animosity is a very strong word - I would love to know how you think I have demonstrated it???? Also the suggestion that The Folly would deliberately throw games is completely unfounded and utter nonsense. We never have and never would throw a game - case in point last night - 4-0 down against the top of the division team we kept battling and ended up only losing 6-5.

The simple fact of the matter is we know we are not good enough to play in Div 1 at the moment having only finished 6th in Div 2 last summer and currently in the bottom half of Div 2 this winter and would therefore prefer not to. We have the bare 5 players, only one of whom picks up a cue more than once a week but we come out for a laugh and a beer and try our best. The likelihood is that a couple of them would probably have dropped out had we remained in Div 1 which would have resulted in yet another team leaving the league. As you rightly point out, we were happy for any other team to take our place in Div 1.

I would also point out that this is not the first time a team has been shuffled up, asked not to be and their request has been granted.

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Or just give up the summer leauge and get on the golf course IMO

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:clap:I wish!!!

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I was informed last night that The Propeller are withdrawing from the Summer League so a revised Division 1 fixture list will be circulated to Div.1 teams and BYES will be awarded to all opponents in the the 1st Rounds of all KO comps and confirmed to those teams/players secretaries.

The following Propeller players will be unable to play for any team within the summer season :-

Ricky Cook
Dean Cooper
Tony Jackson
Paul MacQuire
Leon Pope
Paul Richards

Due to the following rules being applied

11 - A player may apply for a transfer to another team with the two team secretaries being in agreement. If an agreement has not been reached then the player may apply to the committee direct. Permission will then be solely at the discretion of the committee and will only be granted provided that they feel there is no Unsporting Gamesmanship being practised.
a - Players who do transfer during a season will become new players for their respective new team and forfeit any divisional singles wins accumulated from their old team.
b - The terms and conditions of this rule will not apply to any player who is a member of a withdrawn or suspended team.

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What's happened to the prop ?
Still 6 players available and good players to boot
Tis a shame if they have withdrawn
Looks like the legends are clear favourites for the summer title now:o

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It doesnt really seem fair to me that players are potentially banned, for a team withdrawing from the league before it commences, when in reality those players effected might not have been responsible for the withdrawal.

That said, I do obviously realise its a pain in the aris for the League Secretary, who would no doubt have already organised fixtures.

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I think it's silly to stand by the ruling in this 1 there's not Sole in this league who wud have any reason to object in the 6 need to be suspended to play pool for the summer it says in the ruling unless unsporting can't mark put it down to that? Not that anybody as been unsporting at all just think that cud be away around it surly we can turn a blind eye this once to that rule book! Mark does a brilliant job in our league and always plays to the rules his fair in every aspect but step forward this time mate n allow them boys to play for other teams if they wish to do so it won't affect the singles or doubles at all as they will just be under a different pub name!! And team ko who ever had the prop count your selfs lucky that u got a bye!! Knowing macca like I do I am genuinely gutted for him that his had to fold his team that his worked so hard to make them what they were! Am sure he will be back!! :drunk:


And loooooool knocky : )

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The Prop withdrew their 'entry' to the summer league, and didn't withdraw after any fixtures were played, so it depends on how you want to interpret the term 'withdrawn team'. I thought the term 'withdrawn team' related to after matches had actually started in which the players had actually played.

I would point out as part of the registered Prop Winter Team that as long as everyone is fit and well we'd probably have a similar team to last year's winter team by start of next winter season.

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Danny and Prof,

I appreciate your opinions and comments but nevertheless this League’s Committee does not have the right to override the rules (refer to a recent incident stated as under for further confirmation) if its clearly stated within the rules and the term “Withdrawn” is interpreted that when the fixtures lists, results cards and other info is circulated regarding the formation of a new season then that is the new season regardless whether any matches have been played.


Taken from Half Season General Meeting minutes of 7th February 2013
Issue in recent Farley Dukes v Pond Wheatsheaf match:
In this particular fixture, the Dukes only had 4 players, and a suggestion had been made to sign an extra player on the night. The player in question, Dave Truan, had previously played for the Eden Cues, but was not currently registered for any team. As the Dukes’ secretary, Mark Bannister, was not present, Steve Rowlerson of the Farley Loyalists had contacted the Secretary to seek permission. This was given, along with the advice to inform Pat Flynn of the Pond Wheatsheaf of the decision, with the proviso that the official paperwork be sent immediately afterwards. (This is a situation that has occurred in the past, and has enabled other teams to participate without the handicap of forfeiting frames.) Pat Flynn did not accept this decision, citing a breach of Rule 2 which states that 6 clear days must be allowed from registration to enable that player’s participation. He refused to allow Dave Truan to play and claimed the frames.

Statements were heard from Pat Flynn, Steve Rowlerson, and the League Secretary in a heated exchange, which went on to question whether the Executive Committee had the right to override the rules in their interpretation of the Rules as per item 5d of the League’s Constitution which the League Secretary defended his actions by quoting but nevertheless it was found that the committee did not have the right to do this but suggestions were made that the rule should have an appendix attached to cover this future eventuality and this to be submitted in the proper manner as set out for rule changes within the constitution.

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The underlying problem across the whole league is that there aren't enough new players coming in. This results in all teams relying on a smaller pool of players to be 100% committed to whatever team they sign for.

For good reasons, not everyone can give a 100% commitment guaranteed across a season, so every side needs sufficient backup. That won't happen unless new players are encouraged into the league, and that's where the focus should really be. With the Croydon format, for a normal winter or summer season, then in my opinion, every team needs a squad of 8 players with at least 3 or 4 of those 100% committed to play every week. If a team has less than this at start of season, then they need to be looking for backup players, otherwise they will risk playing short.

Arguments about who plays for what team, and what division shouldn't really matter, and are quite petty really. Freedom to choose who you want to play for is healthy, but there needs to be loyalty for the season once signed, and an understanding on level of commitment expected.

To summarise, everyone involved with Croydon pool should be getting new players to join our league, and encouraging rookies to keep picking up the stick. Always admired Mr Bannister for his attitude, because he's always signed anyone that wanted to play for his team in spite their ability (looks like he's still letting in the rookies !)

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Just going to add from Neil as he has been banned from the site for a unknown reason......

Due to the facts of Leon being suspended not being able to play pool we the legends are withdrawing from Croydon pool it's been good enjoyed my time in Croydon as the rest of my team but these rules are absurd also the fact that billy decided to leave at the last minute and play for the loyalists and we get told if we let billy go then we can have Leon bk.... It's all silly I think kids stuff as I Said we are withdrawing wanna wish every 1 the best for the summer and all the best for the future with your pool careers it's been so much fun especially the battles I've been apart of with the prop!! Some good memories over the years!!

The legends

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Danny i'm not aware of any limitations placed upon the relaese of Leon apart from what the league constitution states but i am aware of Neils demands that unless the legends signed either Leon or A.N.OTHER that he would hold Billy's cards even though Billy has stated he wants to play for the loyalists!!
Neil also said that you were attempting to bring in a worthy player whose name eludes me right now.:juggle:

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Danny, just for the record the Propeller's summer league players are not suspended they are just not eligible to play pool in the Croydon area during the summer. Now, if Tony Jackson upon his return from holiday does sort the team out and re-enters the Propeller before May 13th then those players will be eligible to play for the Propeller and if he decides to de-register any of them then they will be eligible to play for other teams. As far as Billy is concerned he is a registered player with the Legends and will remain so until Neil Hall decides otherwise and no deals have been done with the League involving Leon Pope. I have yet to hear from Neil Hall re the Legends withdrawing so I cannot take yout post as an official notice that you are. I trust this clears up your concerns before you move on and play your pool somewhere else and I wish you well with your endeavours.

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The league is sound, the rules are there in black and white. What's to debate when everyone has agreed to the rules in the first place.

"Can't we all just get along?????"

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Wouldnt it be easier to just stay with the team you play for long term, or am I missing something?

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Shaggy,

No billy.... No Leon....

Leon suspended and billy being the lad he is wants to go else were that's not a dig bill just stating the obvious...

Leaves me Neil leach Steve k

X4 players yea lovely very enjoyable the silly rule that can't be broken has cost the league another team going...

And it is a defo now as Neil has phoned mark today and officially we are gone hope that clears it up for you and also I can't play for better halfs as rod not being able to play the big games is a massive disadvantage to the team I love them there where my heart lies but Tuesday just gone they only had 4 players again it's what stops the better halfs winning the league they have the players and ability in abundance but it's the same old story for my mate the long old suffering Birdy he tries everything and does everything but always struggles to get 5 if that aint hard enough for him well losing rod to the big games of the season is even harder its a liberty I think I may even get Steve b to join the new league I am going in that problem doesn't occur there...

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Wouldn't the Better Halfs have had 7 players if you, Steve K & Andre Cox all still played for them Danny ?

It seems to me the rules are not the problem it's the players & the teams. Every season for the last 25 + years i have always played the full season for the team i have signed for, so have the huge majority of the players i have known over the years.

If teams get a squad together & then have some problem & pull out at the last minute or a player changes his mind before the season starts after having already signed for a team then thats their problem & doing, not the league or the rules fault.

99% of the playes in this league start the season knowing they are not going to win anything also. Maybe if you want to play in the strongest team, with the strongest players & add or delete players at will, whenever you feel the need to because of some in house squable or other reason then you are expecting too much. As shaggy said, whats wrong with picking a team long term & staying with them & building the team over more than one summer/winter season. Thats what the Eagles have been doing for years & it works for them. No one left or disbanded their team when Mark Miller, Eddie Taylor, Danny Evans, Kyle pickett, Hughie Telford & so on left, they just added another player & carried on, so that proves it can be done & done successfully.

None of this is the leagues fault, with the exception of 2 teams every other team seems to be dealing with it fine & has done for the past 30 + yerars.

The rules are bsically, find a minimum 5 players who want to play, sign them up & submit your form, & then play for that team for that season. Is it really that complicated !!!

PS. I picked you, Steve K & Andre purely because you are 3 players that as far as i am aware have turned up for your respective teams for more or less every game this season & therefore i would assume would have done the same for the Better halfs if you had still been there. Obviously you all have the right to move team for whatever reason, i am just making a point about players & teams chopping and changing causing problems & not the League or League rules causing the problems.

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I can confirm that Neil Hall has withdrawn the Legends from the summer league but like the propeller, they have until Tue 13th May to sort themselves out otherwise their current registered players will not be eligible to play for anyone else within the summer league and a revised 1st Division fixture list will be distributed.

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One Player Short may now be withdrawing due to the fact we have signed 2 new players & can no longer fullfil our team name (Unless Clive Taylor signs back up).

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Well said young Chris. Spot on as usual. However on the other matter, there could be a problem if Clive Taylor were to re-join your team. Some of the words in the team name would need to be re-arranged.

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That Brooker bloke always comes on here and talks complete garbage ... 😁

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Neil hall has not been banned

There appears to be an issue with his computer or phone which is preventing him logging in even after resetting his password

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Hahahahahahahahahahaha Neil NEVER replies for days when the leg ends lose....£100 NEIL HALL PLEASE

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Just had a call from Tony Jackson and can advise that The Propeller will be rejoining the League with Graham Thompson being the acting secretary

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That's good to hear.whos registered for the prop?

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Danny Kelliher
Neil Hall
Billy Barnet
Darren Leach
& others

Just a joke Terence ....... You will need to speak with Graham Thompson on that matter

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Lol that did make me laugh