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Posted by jacko on 15-10-2013 06:45

Jacko n german 1v2 sean n metin.....on reflection I would like to apologise for not calling a foul on myself in the deciding frame as jacked my cue up did not double hit but the white took a slight forward movement instead ov stopping dead...metin ask if I was happy with that n I said yea,I spoke to every1 there who ad not thought it was a foul especially as a push shot cannot b called unless seen...not a fan ov this grey area in the rules especially as im the first to call a foul on myself or team mates...I was not happy with this n in hindsight wish id called a foul upon myself as simple physics dictates it must ov been a foul even tho u cant call it 1 the honourable thing to do is wen in doubt bit the bullet n call it on urself just to b safe...metin banged on a bit ina unsporting manner whilst we wer at the table which even tho not acceptable I can totally understand why he may ov felt ard done by n why he reacted in such a manner...we all make mistakes at times but we live n learn...wel done to the victors even if they got totally outplayed karma won the day n all is good...:angel:

Posted by Metin250 on 15-10-2013 07:22

I don't plan to go back and forth or start an argument, it's done and dusted but as you have given your turn of events I shall give mine.
To turn up for our match at 8 and not get on til after 9 was painful enough being that there are 12 English pool tables in the house but as it's your choice we cannot have any issues with that.
As for being outplayed I find that highly amusing , more like overplayed because u took 5 mins on almost every shot , it' was zzzzzzzzzzz to watch and be involved in! a best of 3 match should in no world last an hour and a half.
As to the incident in question I was looking directly at the ball as I could see how difficult it would be for u to get your cue out of the way in time.
Your plan was to jack the cue up and pot the red whilst screwing the white back which u achieved unfortunately for u u failed to move the tip in time and white rolled forward clear as day!
Kelly, Eddie and myself saw it hence why I called ( even if u don't believe me Kelly and Eddie r the most honest guys in the league). The rule about not seeing it is when u are close to the ball and u play the shot in 1 motion which stops u from calling as it's too fast to see. The white moved back then forward - do u have a magic wand of a cue to make the white do that? and deep down I think u know u fouled.
The fact that we were still talking about it for graham to just play his shot while we were still discussing the foul was terrible show of sportsmanship hence why I was so angry. Graham didn't seem to be too bothered about us speaking when he played that shot!
Either way we got the win we deserved and as u say justice was done !

Posted by jacko on 15-10-2013 18:35

Yea n the 1st game took 5 10mins for us to win n then they started covering pockets n it dragged....2nd game we wer fckd we turned it all around ad the game won n german pots the white in the centre ad no reason to go anywhere near the centre then in the last I swerved n potted a ball 3 4inches away from its pocket n the white followed it in...cant beat luck m8

Posted by Metin250 on 15-10-2013 19:50

The 1st game took longer than u remember, 1 of your shots took 5-10 mins!
We were in all sorts of trouble due to us not potting off the break.
2nd frame we were in control and we had the game won once we got 2 shots but made a silly mistake. Didn't matter as we were still in the game as it proved. The German couldn't keep getting away with slapping the balls all over the place and expect it to come out plum ever time !
Your last swerve shot even if the white stayed up left u no shot so unlucky yes to pot the white but the black was going no where so a bit of a nothing shot imo, if u were potting that I think u needed to hit it with pace.
Still stand by the most painful match I have ever been involved in, they brought out a 60 second shot rule for reasons like last night, u and the German deliberating for 5 mins every time was just crazy, imagine if they didn't change the rule on talking between shots, we'd still be playing now!

Posted by jacko on 16-10-2013 04:42

Av ad people talking to me about last nite...just to clarify I did not believe I fouled at the time n did check to make sure,also apparently if u jack ur cue up 45 degrees its not a foul....I dont no the rules iv just put a post trying to b a gentleman about it n not wishing to av done anything wrong....seems like I played a legal shot n ad no need to make post...brings metins behaviour into question yet again tho churping away whilst his opponents r trying to play but like I said originally I can understand y he may ov especially if he woz confused aswel :angel:

Posted by Metin250 on 16-10-2013 05:49

#11

Lol at Keliher!
Wasn't too long ago u were slagging Jacko off and now you wana be doubles buddies.. Lol
Jacko is a great player and it would be a great match but right now all I want is for u to get your arse in gear and set up a date for our match and stop this yap about doubles !
As for your comment Jacko I have spoken with certain people about your blatant foul , people who u said didn't see it and they have confirmed to me it was a foul in their eyes also . I don't need to worry as I know u know u fouled as every player knows they double hit a ball it's just that certain players own up to it and some don't!
Stop going on , u lost , justice was done!
Dk - I'm waiting !
Ps as for jacking cue up 45 degrees- no it isn't a foul if u play a shot and don't double hit it...... But u did clear as day! All well and good saying your a gentleman yet u have negated that by coming back on here and opening it all up again.

Edited by Metin250 on 16-10-2013 05:54

Posted by jacko on 16-10-2013 06:59

#14

I posted originally cuz I thought maybe I ad fouled by playing an illegal push shot n that dont sit right with me but apparently I did not...every1 as said to me y did I post that wen I ad not fouled but I woz trying to b a gent n did not realise it woz not necessary as I ad not fouled...my bad...but dont cum on here lying saying I ad played a double hit wen I didnt coz I would ov called that coz I would never ever cheat...u insult me n expect me not to get pisd off...u need to b quiet whilst ur not on the table its barracking. ..learn sum manners

Posted by Metin250 on 16-10-2013 07:11

#15

i was still talking to u about the incident and for graham to play his shot when nothing was settled was hugely disrespectful and was obviously going to start arguments and upset myself and kelly.
Game was tarnished imo no matter who won!
Im bored of this argument now, its not going to change what happened.
I havent much interest in doubles anyway , its not on my list of things i look forward to playing!

Posted by jacko on 16-10-2013 07:28

#16

Yep doubles sucks....on the result sheet u won n thats that...deserved? Woz quiet amusing watching the gr8 disher covering pockets tho,slowing the game down...I just wanted to get on with it but after the 1st frame it woz like ur arse ad gone n u didnt av the bottle to take out a dish...n yet u try n deflect the match lenth on2 us wen u failed to attack. ..strange that...anyway enuf ...its done

Posted by Metin250 on 16-10-2013 12:49

#17

Im not suicidal, if i see that we have 3 balls covered inc the blk im not gonna go potting mad just coz u think i try and dish all the time especially at a best of 3 and it proved the correct choice as we won!
I dont mind a tactical game but i do draw the line at a team who take 5 mins on every single shot - was like a national convention everytime u could talk with graham ( even when u could nt speak graham takes an eternity)
At least me and kelly play our shots within a 30 sec time limit!
It dont matter now, games done , cheers for game.

Posted by andye on 20-10-2013 19:42

#26

this is getting really boring now....

it was a foul simples...

in jacko's own words " I would like to apologise for not calling a foul on myself in the deciding frame as jacked my cue up did not double hit but the white took a slight forward movement instead ov stopping dead..."

that says it all

Posted by jacko on 21-10-2013 05:15

#28

Woz it andy ? Woz u there? Coz I didnt notice that slimy muggy face anywhere....for all the dumb cnts out there I only apologised coz in hindsight I thought I may ov played a push shot,not a double hit but a push shot but apparently by jacking my cue up it was NOT a foul...that is wat german asked as it werent a double hit so he woz checking the push shot rule...ffs yea so boring n then mr boring himself comments. ..idiots

Posted by andye on 21-10-2013 14:40

#29

classy response jacko, you must be proud...
hurling insults doesn't make you correct, it just shows a weakness in your argument

no i wasn't there... and neither was that ref!

but YOU said it was a double hit and a foul.... and i believe you

both you and i and plenty of others have been in this game long enough to know that jacking your cue up doesn't make it not a foul, it's simply that your less likely to foul by jacking up the cue

push shots are allowed (god knows why) but a double hit isn't)
it is a bit of a grey area i admit hence it's up to the honesty of us players to call it on ourselves

we know when we've done it, you can't see it hence the ref can't call it but you can sometimes hear it and as a player you can certainly feel it
it's something me and all my team do and i fully expect a player such as yourself who has achieved so much in the croydon league to follow suit

Posted by Strumpet8 on 21-10-2013 15:50

#30

jacko wrote:
Woz it andy ? Woz u there? Coz I didnt notice that slimy muggy face anywhere....for all the dumb cnts out there I only apologised coz in hindsight I thought I may ov played a push shot,not a double hit but a push shot but apparently by jacking my cue up it was NOT a foul...that is wat german asked as it werent a double hit so he woz checking the push shot rule...ffs yea so boring n then mr boring himself comments. ..idiots

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much

Posted by Brooker on 21-10-2013 15:52

#31

This i all getting a bit out of hand.

Don't even think the argument is even whether it was a foul or not, impossible for me (or anyone else who wasn't there, senior ref's included) to judge as i didn't see it, but feel the argument is more the fact if Jacko thought he failed would he have called it.

He has his critics, but have known the bloke a long time & would say he is as honest in this area as anyone, i suspect he thought at the time he didn't foul & then in hindsight thought maybe he did, so posted his comment & apologised if he actually called it wrong, fair play to the bloke.

Now an argument has broken out as to whether it was a foul or not with people who were not there expressing their opinions, only the people there really know & only Jacko himself really knows if he thought he failed & didn't call it at the time, i doubt that very much about Jacko & reading through all the threads no one has even suggested that may have been the case, not even Metin or Kelly, they are just saying they thought the shot was a foul, not that Jacko knew it was a foul but didn't call it.

I beleive i am as honest as they come, just as 99 % of people in the league are, but i have sworn at times i haven't fouled only to be told by people around me that i trust that i have, i would never do it on purpose, but its easy to make a mistake, & Jacko has said that maybe he made a mistake. Mistakes happen, no one is calling anyones honesty into question, let it rest people.

Edited by Brooker on 21-10-2013 15:56

Posted by Metin250 on 21-10-2013 16:24

#32

Mr brooker u r correct in what u say. In fairness though it would have been left if jacko hadnt kept dragging it back every night with some long insulting post. Then he moves to threats over a pool match ( and doubles at that)!
We didnt get the foul and after that point both teams would have been angry had they lost.
The people who had the best view were myself kelly and eddie as we were side on to the shot and had full view of both balls , everyone else was in front or behind so had no clear view. Jacko himself prob couldnt tell maybe due to having to get his arm out the way in quick time.
Im actually more angry at the german playing his next shot whilst we were still discussing the incident.
As for official ref blah - well i was at a national comp in a semi final last month where refs were brought in and he forgot to reset the clock after a shot and the next thing he calls a time foul after our player was at the table for about 20 secs, nothing we could do and could have cost us the match.
So when u bring up hes a tournament ref that means nothing as i know some awful refs!
Move on, it was the 1st rnd of a scotch doubles comp!

Posted by jacko on 21-10-2013 17:17

#35

Thank u chris n the magnetic chalk holder isa fashion statement m8 :D: ....n guys soz iv been a tad rude just dont like my honesty bein called into question so im gona get annoyed...n for the millionth time andy at no point did I say I double hit the ball,I certainly didnt feel or hear it my only concern woz whether id played a push shot foul...if I had double hit I would call it ov course...this post started in the right spirit n then went a bit rat sht just hope wev learnt sumthin out ov it all even if its the simple fact the uv got to b a sexy trend setter to wear a chalk holder :angel:

Edited by jacko on 21-10-2013 17:59