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Does anyone know the rules regarding spotted cue-balls being used instead of a plain one? We (The Farley Loyalists) played at Suzy Q's on Tuesday, against The Goodfellas. When asked to change the cue-ball for my game, i was told 'no', we are at home & this is our cue-ball!
Surely if a request to change the cue-ball to a normal one is asked it should be allowed. I will admit, that some of our team seemed to like the bloody thing, is that not right Chaslington, but I have never played with a spotted-white, and was not to impressed being told I had too!

Any thoughts or comments gents?

Rainbow

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Yes Paul, I did enjoy the spots on the ball and found it helped me with particular shots. However, the cue-ball should be white. I feel that when you requested this to be the case in your two games your wish should have been granted. It's not has if they're short of balls there!

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Cant believe you still have a gripe about this. Why should your request be granted?. It was our home game and we all play with the spotted white so what you want doesnt come into it. Stop moaning.

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I'll moan. I don't like a spotted cue ball. I find it incredibly offputting and I'd refuse to play with one. It's not as if every other team in the league plays with one or it is in the spirit of the game. If you guys want to be different that's fine but it's wrong to enforce this against anyone who doesn't share that view.

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i think if your really focused on your match a few spots on a white ball shouldnt matter, would rather have that than play on a crap table that rolls off or has dead cushions,

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In fact I have found something that should solve the problem . . .

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When i joined i didnt like the cue ball but to be honest i dont mind either ball and the dots are not offputting if you are playing your game.

I know what my views are on it but im not here to make enemies and especially against my team.

It put what could have been a good evening into a somewhat shit evening

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Yeah certain shots when you managed to keep the ball ON the table - lol :lol:

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hi a bit of topic !
when i played for the sas
we used spots and stripes
surely does it really matter its a game of pool
if u cant pot a ball then dont play pool
I couldnt give a shit what was on the ball
ok the home team has an advantage
but they r at home
so its there preference

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I have heard from several people why the SAS used to play with stars and stripes.

Why do the Goodfellas chose to play with a spotted cue ball? If it is to piss off opponents it is clearly working. :lol:

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:blah:

Here we go again..

When we first decided we'd like to use the spotted white, I checked it out with Mark Halsey and he confirmed there was nothing in the rules to prevent us using it, as the only stipulation mentioned is that it must be 1 7/8 inch, which it is.
Once we'd started using it, some opponents liked it, some didn't, but once we'd decided to start using it, it's not fair on others who have played with it without moaning about it to chop and change at the request of fussy individuals.
As The Shark quite rightly points out, you don't get a choice of table when you play away, so why should the cue ball be any different? Pubs have very variable tables, some of which don't actually comply with the stipulations on size etc which are defined in the rules, yet they are allowed to continue. Our ball doesn't break any regulations, yet people like to moan about it. At least at ours you know the tables aren't like playing on a crazy golf course, unlike some. You just have to contend with some little red spots.. big deal. If you're any good at pool, they won't make a blind bit of difference.

Oh and Rainbow, you played 3 frames on Tuesday (including the Secretary match) and won all 3. Obviously the spots put you off your game terribly!

:no:

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I wanted to see the different reactions to the cue ball landing on the carpet at 300mph with a variation of top, bottom, left and right spins (sometimes combined). :blush:

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Cheats :no: lol

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I sincerely hope that was supposed to be a joke.

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Fully agree with you sass.:angel:
The one thing that everyone that has posted on this thread have failed to realise is the fact that a white ball with spots all over it is in fact a PRACTICE ball not a TOURNAMENT ball so should not be allowed,:wrong:
But again in saying that with my tongue firmly in cheek.
This type of ball I Think is used in three cushion billiards.

So my answer to this ball being used is an astounding NO to being used in matches,:no: But by all means you can used it for practice as that is what they are meant for

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:snigger:

I couldn't care one way nor t'other to be honest. Was just curious as to why you would make a decision that would clearly cause controversy and was wondering what the benefits were.

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It's not a practice ball! Practice balls have spots arranged on ONE side, that look like a target, so it shows you where to hit the ball square on to achieve the various spins. Each time you hit the thing, you have to move the 'target' to the front, otherwise you won't hit the spots. Our ball has 6 spots, the same as the ones used for the televised World Championships. They were mainly brought in to make it easier for commentators to talk about spin etc but are certainly not practice balls. Ask anyone who's played on the Worlds, if you want confirmation.
:wall:

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Fair enough. I am sure the commentators in Suzys are very grateful.:bite:

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It's not about 'benefits'. Fact is, we've decided to use the ball and to remain fair to all our opponents, we can't allow people to pick and chose which ball they want to use. Likewise, if a team came to us and said they didn't like our table and asked to use another one for the match, we'd say no to that too. It's home advantage, so it's not the away team's choice. Yes, we have other cue balls available but we also have other tables and it's our choice to use whichever we like, not theirs.

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So to be 'fair' to all opponents, they all have to use it? Surely that implies you would be given some an unfair advantage if they don't have to use it and therefore it is an advantage to those who are used to it and practice with it?

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Ok, to remain 'consistent'.

As for the advantage part, that's no different to any home team who practice on their home table and then expect the away team to play on it without knowing all its rolls etc.

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Only if they purposefully do not try to level it first or deliberatley do not play on the best table available to try to gain an advantage. Call me naive but it would be nice to think that does not go on.

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Best table or not, that's irrelevant. It's still practice under certain conditions.

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So would you accept you use it to gain an advantage?

It may seem I am being argumentative over this but all was trying to do (other than wasting time when should be painting my flat lol) was find out why you would used a spotted white when so many others are available to you? - the only responses seem to be about how teams gain other advantages by using poor tables etc.. If the first question in this post is correct then fair enough, if not then I am not sure you have answered the question...

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No. We don't use it as an advantage. We started using it, as previously explained, with the go-ahead of Mark H. It has since been agreed with several committee members, past and present, that it is ok to use. As we've decided to use it several seasons ago now, we use it in ALL home games, not just when other people pick and chose. That is our prerogative when we're playing at home.
Most people who moan about the ball have never even played with it. If they had, they'd realise they're making a lot of fuss over nothing.

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You keep mentioning tables in you posts.
this thread is not about tables but a particular type of cue-ball.
We all know about certain tables not being level or of a different dimentions, So lets forget about the BLOODY tables and talk cue-balls.

As mentioned by Sass in an earlier post the spots on the ball can be quite dawnting if people have never used 1 before, So this would infer that there is an advantage to your team. Which to be fair to all who have posted so far are against the idea of a spotted white ball.

I also agree with their comments as you are the only team in the league to use this type of ball.

The Rules also state!

The game of eight-ball pool is played with:-

1. A "Cue ball" - Being White.

There is no mention of spots being on the ball which would define the fact that the ball should NOT be used for matches.

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The ball is white... just with 6 red spots. Considering it's the same ball used at the highest level of 8 ball, I don't see how it could be against the rules of the game.

As I said, it's been accepted by the committee, so until such time it's voted by the members at an AGM that it cannot be used, it will remain.

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I actually saw a game of singles last season where a Goodfellas player actually asked for a white ball to be changed as it had a mark on it that he found off-putting when playing!! Surely seems a bit hypocritical now.:O:

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Not at all. Our spots are supposed to be there and are part of the ball. If a cue ball is dirty/chipped, it can cause bad contacts and affect the game. It wasn't me, but fair point I'd say.

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Gamesmanship. Pure and simple gamesmanship. Fat Dart will never admit that of course. :winkgrin:

In my opinon, there is no place for this ball in ''league'' pool.

I would never refuse to play against the Goodfella's because of it, but the question is always going to be. Why do it in the first place?

If its to be 'different' then it has backfired....

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when i was playing for the sas u should see how many people hated playing with spots and stripes
but if thats the ball u play with then so be it
ive never played with a cue ball that has 6 spots on it
but ive seen it on televsion
when 9 ball was played
but at the end of the day the Goodfelles play with it
so thats the way it is
so really this is a pointless conversation

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I would rather play with a spotted cue ball
than have a small table
that u cant cue around without obstruction

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Just to add my 5p worth and being someone who actually practiced with one for 5 years. When I practiced 9 Ball I had a spotted white because the set I used was the Aramith TV set. At the worlds the spotted white is only used when matches are on the TV, when TV coverage is not on, a normal white is used.

Personally I don't see what all the fuss is, most of it is in the players head, but with that, it does give the home team an advantage, i do also remember a team in Biggin Hill that had Carlsberg written across the reds and yellows and it was very off putting.

I think it also could set a bad presedence, next we get a team that practice with a white that has dents and marks on it, they'll be used to it so wont change it.

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Jamie, what has the table or cue restrictions got to do with this???

We all know why the SAS played with spots and stripes. It got them to Division 1. They dropped the spots and stripes and won 1 game out of 22. :lol:

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power i was saying that there r other things that i consider more annoying and to me make play more difficult

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This is a big advantage to you fellas and has no cause to to used in matches that are not televised.
This is a pool league,played by people who enjoy playing pool with a proper set of balls which includes the white your cue-ball has no place in such a league as this.
As you said in a previous post this is used by professionals in the televised stages of pool comps.
again most of the people who play pool leagues are not professional and find this type of ball to off putting whilst playing shots.
If we were meant to play with spotted white balls then a set of pool-balls would be supplied with one.

99% of the pool league play with a plain white ball so what makes you so special as to want to play with a spotted white, Other than the advantage it does actually give you.:bite:

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I've got my singles tonight at Suzy Q's against Sarah King.

Will I be expected to use this type of cue ball in my game? If so, can I request a change??

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It will be used in the World Championship.. If its good enough for them it is surely good enough in Croydon.

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can't beleive this,37 replies to a question about a cue ball. I tell the world about Brian Clarke being caught in bed with 4 under age kids and not a sausage

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As far as I understand, the ball is used in the televised stages only at the Worlds to enhance viewing and make it easier for the commentors. If you can tell me when or if we will ever see a Croydon pool league or cup game televised then I'll accept this type of cue-ball has a place in this league....

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I believe it was used in one world championships because the makers of the ball cut a deal for them to do so.

The minute they do they same with Goodfella's then I'll accept there is a place for it in Croydon League! :elol:

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Its not out of the realms of possibility, we were looking to get live streaming for the Croydon Singles League.

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Playing away from home, you play with the home teams equipment.
Be it table or balls.
If it's not breaking the rules, then crack on.

The Blue Anchor (When they had a pool table back in the day) had "Hamlet" plastered over every ball.
The Forum use them weird balls with the ripple effect on them.
The SAS used to use the spots and stripes as mentioned. . . . .

Doesn't really make a blind bit of difference in my opinion.

It's a novelty which, once your used to it, you wouldn't even notice.

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So if the Goodfellas insist we leave our own cues at home and pull off some old pub cues from the rack at Suzy's - then thats okay? Because we 'must' accept to play and use the home teams equipment? Home equipment argument. Load of Bollocks.....:lol:

Whats to stop the Farley Loyalists insisting the Goodfellas play on one leg with with one eye closed in the return game. Why? Because the Loyalists are the home team. Ok the Loyalists will do likewise but the difference being they have been practising playing on one leg and with one eye closed. It would be argued as a result they will now hold an unfair advantage. Cue ball with spots no difference.

I think the issue here is not only the use of the spotted cue-ball but the Goodfella's insisting it 'must' be used because 'we' are 'at home'. Fair requests to change the ball for the odd frame have been refused and you can understand why this is now being highlighted and is looked upon in some quarters that the Goodfella's will gain an unfair advantage. I think a request from the opposition team or individual player to alter the ball should be taken onboard and permitted. A change of ball happens in mostly any other ball sport if there is an issue with the ball. Home advantage does not come into it.

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I think that's the key thing - 'once you're used to it'. Goodfellas obviously are. The rest of the league are not. That is the advantage pure and simple.

I guess if people feel strongly enough this will be brought up as a proposal at the AGM.

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The Forum 'B' have a set of balls with swirls on, but have changed them to a 'normal' set of red and yellows straight away if an opponent asks, even though they have accustomed themselves to those balls. It's all down to sportmanship versus gamesmanship.

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The difference is the ball is legal.

Its like an away team playing a football match and saying we don't like Adidas ball, so must play with an umbro.

As long as the ball fits the leagal requirements then in my opinion there can be no argument.

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:clap:

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And if the away team raised a complaint about the Adidas ball, who would then make the final decision to change the ball?

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The referree, but ultimately its the home team that have to provide the equipment as in ball, and the referree would only dismiss it if it breached the rules.

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My feelings on it are, yes, The Goodfellas use the spotted to gain an advantage- why else would you change from the norm? But the key thing is it is only the away player that can hand them that advantage, if you let the spots bother you then you will have problems but if you ignore them they get no advantage.

Personally, I like it and would be happy to play with one every week, I don't think it will happen though judging by this thread! :lol:

How about putting it to a website poll?

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Sass are you chipping in against us because we have priority over you on that table??? :bite::lol:

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Simple solution there then, come sign for the Goodfella's. :O:

Could be the Ronaldo speculation of Croydon Pool - lol :lol::drunk:

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I know i have made some posts about this matter
but its a cue ball who cares
it really doesnt bother me theres more to life

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:clap::clap::clap:

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:lol::lol::lol::lol:




That's why they play with it, it is a considerate cue ball that is in interested in how the team is feeling!!!

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Using a cue-ball with spots is an unfair advantage as the good fellas are the only team in the league that have this type of ball.
So obviously they use it all the time when a team visits them for a league game,The opposition never played with one before are obviously not used to it. Hence Unfair advantage to Good Fellas.
If other teams had a chance of using the same type of ball for practice and league matches at their own venue then there would be no problem.:angel:
But as stated before the rules clearly state a regular white-ball must be used,A white-bal without spots as this clearly would not then be a white-ball but a white-ball with spots.
So the answer is GET RID OFF THAT STUPID SPOTTED THING CALLED A CUE BALL.:nerner:

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They do have the chance... They could buy one, like we did.

:roll:

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Just out of curiousity why did the goodfella's start using one ?

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Well that seemed to start the ball-rollin, no pun intended, thank you very much for all the comments & pros/cons, and as for moaning, me moan! I just think a choice is the fairest solution, if both players are happy to use a spotted white then fine, if one of the players does not it could be changed.

Nuff Zed on this I think, we're playing at Suzy Q's again tomorrow against the Imps, I have no doubt it will be a close fought battle with the normal fun inbetween.

Laters,
Rainbow

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Mark is colour blind and so are the rest of us - there you go all sorted - lol :lol:

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Was just reading through the replies & debats, and came across the word 'Cheats', please let it be noted that on no occasion did anyone in our team or my self mention the word Cheats! This is not a word I would associate with 99.9% of any team in this league. I would like to apologise to The Goodfellas for that comment, not that it was from me, but I, it seems, am to blame for it.

Regards
Rainbow

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Have just added a poll for this

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It actually started as a gimmick, as it looks good when you put plenty of joy on the cue ball (which is obviously why they use it for tv too). Seeing as pool at our level is very seldom amazing to watch, it makes a pleasant change to actual see the spin people put on shots.
As I said many times before, it's a 'legal' ball and we asked first. Many people now enjoy it (although clearly the most vocal on here are those against). The vast majority of our opponents just see it for what it is - a spotty ball, and get on with the game totally unaffected by it.

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I haven't read all this thread but f.f.s please tell me this ain't all about a cue ball

Too be honest just get on with it and pot the balls - regardless of the type they are - If you ain't good enough then it's got fcuk all to do with the cue ball, more that you are $hite end of....
:chair:

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No Truey you are wrong, what the Goodfellas havent told anyone is that the ball is actually square, and made of cheese.

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The only vote that matters is the one at the AGM.

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I've been pretty vocal but you guys seem to want to take the piss out of me and go off on tangents more than have a proper debate on the subject.

I don't like the ball but I wouldn't have made an issue of it had you guys not been forcing people to play with it who don't want to. I had always understood that you were allowed to play with that ball on the understanding that you would respect any opponent who didn't want to play with it.

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If my vague memory serves me right the spotted cue balls were not permitted for use in the untelevised stages of the World Championships. I see no harm in them myself but I think they should only be used if there is a specific reason for doing so, ie practice or television. They don't help you hit the ball only to observe how you did hit it. In the absence of the need for such observation their only usefulness is as a distraction to those unacustomed to them.

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I think Sass has just hit the nail on the head....

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Well said !!

I like anything that has more spots than my forehead :D
Can one person honestly say that they lost because of some spots on a cue-ball ?? :wall:

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I have a busy week at work and look what happens - a whole thread talking about me :bounce:

Personally I dont care what ball we use, but the fact it annoys so many of you makes it all worth while.

If we gain an advange from it, then all good. We wont be the only team in the league gaining an advantage from a controversial piece of kit.

My opinion is that if you are a good player, it has zero effect on your game. If you're not, then you were probably going to lose anyway. :angel:

P.S. At the risk of getting personal (worth the risk) ThePower - you are a total cock.

Back to :computer:

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Dude what are you on?

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Pubs with shit tables and smell of all things unholy shouldn't be allowed in the League, but they are. People who don't wash should be excluded - again, they still find places in teams because it's legal.

Angles, can you please show me your copy of World Rules which states a 'regular white ball' should be used, because every copy I have says just 'a white ball'.

No, I didn't like the spotted ball all the time I played for the Goodfellas. But I got on with it. I'd rather play with a legal white ball with spots on than on a table with more rolls than a bakery, dead cushions and on tables which are not supposed to be played on because they exceed the permitted size allowed by the Croydon Pool League.

Should they change the white if the away team object? Maybe. But when you travel away from home you accept the venue and the table as it is. I've been to a location which had no rest and I couldn't take the shot I wanted. Should I have sent them to a neighbouring pub to fetch one? That was more likely to cost me my frame than a spotted white ball.

It's a fcuking cue ball. If I thought it cost me a frame, I'd moan. But then if the table rolling cost me a frame, i'd moan at that too. I just enjoy moaning for the sake of it. Seems i'm not alone in that. :)

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OMG, what's next? Teams not providing a box for you to see over the table?

I'd have thought with your height, having your own rest would be more beneficial than bringing your own cue! :lol::laugh::lol:

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At our match last night there was only one triangle between two matches, and young Mr Rimmer didnt want to go round and ask for it. He proceeded to set them up by hand, and obvioulsy it was almost impossible to pot a ball.

When I said this was stupid he declared that we shouldnt worry as 'I have an emergency triangle in the boot of my car!'

I was flummoxed, who else would cater for such an eventuality. He still didnt go to his car and get it though.

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BAAHAHAHAAA

Why the hell can't people use a ball with a few dots on it? What difference does it make? Honestly, it's :censored:ing ridiculous!

:lol:

I have heard that you can drive a golf cart across a green when Tiger Woods is putting and he won't even notice. That is because he is so focussed on his shot. Basically all good players need to be able to block out any distractions, and if you can't then you pay the price.
I hate it when people stand at the end of my shot and stare at me when I'm cueing, but I still take the shot - and if I miss I don't blame that fact that I missed on them - It was my fault for missing.

I would also like to give props to CueBall for slagging off ThePower

:pee::bomb:

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I have one too. It looks like this . . .



Not sure how much good it would have been . . .

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Donna, what has a teams venue, the tables, playing conditions, or whether the pubs provides a rest or equipment got to do with this thread?? We are debating a cue ball and the Goodfella's unsporting behaviour, and use of gamesmanship as a result of using the spotted practice ball.

You admit above that you opposed to 'not liking' the spotted cue ball whilst playing at the Goodfellas, but they still used it!! Knowing you as I do, I cannot believe for one minute that you could convince or alter a decision of team that for sometime from the neutral onlooker has unfortunately been looked upon as being a victim of naivity of being easily lead.

Please do me and the rest of the idle onlooker a favour and not let us get sucked in by your comments the reason the spotted cue ball is being used by the Goodfella's for the sake it is legal.

You have missed the point here, like the rest of the Goodfella's team has done (or so they lead us to believe) since this unsavoury affair has arisen. The issue is really not the spotted cue ball but something else. WHY DO THE GOODFELLA'S USE IT?

The legal use of the spotted ball has not been confirmed by Croydon Pool League committee members. Correct me if I am wrong Donna, but were you or was you not on the Croydon Pool League committee and playing for the Goodfella's at the exact time the Goodfella's Captain Mark Stallard (Fat Dart) made an alleged 'telephone' request to Mark Halsey to request and to allegedly ask for a verbal exceptance to use a spotted cue ball under CPDL league conditions (the use of which we are lead to now understand had allegedly 'special' conditions that correct me if I am wrong have failed to ever be mentioned by the committee of the CPDL!!!! PAST members or present).

I understand that amendments to equipment /rules that we are governed by have to be agreed by a universal vote at an AGM. Perhaps Donna as a former CDPL committe member you will clarify this point for us?

The issue of the spotted cue ball, legal or not, has to be sanctioned by the CPDL members. I cannot find any written confirmation or random vote which has agreed in principal to using this cue ball under and in accodance with current CPDL league constitution. So what makes that ball legal until CDPL vote it in, bearing in mind (before you think better) 'we' ('CDPL') as a league seem to 'choose' what, when and if which EPA or World rule or ruling suits or fits our current set up as a league constitution. So how can YOU, ME or anyone say with confidence that we all say - YES the ball is 100% 'legal' when CPDL choose what rules suit them or does not suit them. Read the current set up and you have your answer.

So ball issue over, we then move onto the next issue. Why do the Goodfella's use the ball? Fuck me do we all know the real answer to that one. Majority of us seem to feel its used to gain an advantage. That debate was killed as early as post three. Why?? Fat Dart answered that question in one of his first posts.............here it comes....

ADVANTAGE GAINED? Mark Stallard: There is none.

Mark Stallard: Other of course than HOME ADVANTAGE!!!

Who Cue Ball looks the TOTAL COCK NOW?

Answers on a text to Mark Stallard 07775 791910

Lastly, Angles is correct actually re the white ball. You know Arthur well, he is harmless, and yet you think its okay to 'ridicule' him on one missed placed 'word'. Ridiculing someone is the lowest form of wit. You know my long term mate Arthur, he is one of the good guys and didn't once upon a time you use to be a team mate of his.....:wrong:

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Being allowed to use the spotted white in League games is a joke imho

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Sorry Alex, I got about a third of the way through your post and nodded off. I think the general gist was 'why do the Goodfellas use a spotted cue ball'.

I don't know the answer. Sorry bout that.

As for ridiculing Arthur, that wasn't the intention and can't really see where I've done that, but i'm sure if that's the case, Arthur is a big boy and will let me know himself.

Again, to clarify: I don't know why the Goodfellas use a spotted white ball. But if the CDPL rules state a white has to be a certain size and this is, then I dont see what the fuss is over.

The funniest thing about ALL of this is that everyone is so adamant that it's the spots that are the problem with this ball, that no-one even seems to realise that the spotted white is actually HEAVIER than your plain white ball . . . But hey, you don't need someone like me to tell you that, do you?

Any other questions I may have missed from your post, please put in an e-mail or send by postcard and I will do my best to reply to you within 28 days. (please note: any artwork will not be returned without a SAE)

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Alex, it is clearly YOU you seems to have missed the point. I did explain why we started using it a few posts before your elongated rant.:blah:

We started using it as a novelty, not for our own advantage. The fact we insist on it, as I also previously stated in another post you clearly didn't read, is HOME PREROGATIVE. Since when has the away team dictated anything at matches? We're no more likely to change the ball than if opponents asked to play some frames on a different table to that which we, as the home team had chosen.

Also, please get your facts straight first:
1. I'm the Secretary, not the Captain of Goodfellas
2. I never said I'd 'telephoned' Mark Halsey.
3. GOODFELLAS does NOT have an apostophe, it's a plural.

And please, if you're going to learn one thing, remember IT IS NOT A PRACTICE BALL. Instead of sitting behind your keyboard and firing of essays, try google and you'll find it's a match ball.
:computer:

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Are you sure you're not Donna Evans in disguise. Seems to me you write posts like her.....:crazy:

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Still you! Keep trying Cock. :winkgrin:

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Thanks Alex, I'll take that as a compliment.

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Well, this is becomming a bit of a nightmare!
Next weeks rant 'Red Chalk, should it be allowed?'

Lol,
Rainbow
:angel:

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No, someone used it on our nice clean white cue ball and look what happened..
:lol:

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i didn't think they were the same weight as an ordinary cue ball, but heavier!
if it's heavier then you can't use it simple as that.
if it's the same weight then whether it's got red spots, leopardskin or a picture of ur mum's jack 'n' danny then it's ok to use!!!

i just did a google for 'pool/cue ball weight' i found nothing except sites for stretching your nads and places prepared to perform a prince albert!!!

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Come on Andy, thats what sort u were really looking for...we all have our problems! :snigger:

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It is heavier than a standard white ball hence why everyone in JFK's going to the Worlds have been practicing with them for weeks . . .

Guess you can't use it then.

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obviously not then!

can't believe it's took 5 pages of posts to solve that problem!!!

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That photo Sass has got.
Pool balls with Blue spots.
LOOKS GOOD TO ME

:lol:

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We'll be playing with them from now on as all balls are standard weight ;):D

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Plain white ball - 96 grams
Spotted White - 97.2 grams.

Yes, it's FRACTIONALLY heavier. This has never been a secret and was raised when I first questioned its use on this website several seasons ago.

The fact remains, it's a match ball, used in official competitions, so it can't be outlawed just by people on here deciding they can rule it out for whatever reason suits them at the time. The weight difference is so negligible that 99% of pool players would never notice a difference of just over 1% in weight, if it wasn't for the spots.

First people say it's not allowed as 'it's a practice ball' which it isn't.
Next people say it's not allowed as the spots are off-putting.
Now apparently it's all about the weight. Make your minds up.
:wrong:

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It's certainly not a practice ball but both the spots and weight have an influence when comparing the two . .

. . what stuck me as odd was that there were 4 pages of arguments and not once was the weight mentioned. IMO that makes more of a difference than the spots as the two balls have different reactions . .

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The weight is much more of an issue than the spots. But having said that there are probably cue balls being used in the league that are heavier or lighter than 96g but other teams haven't drawn attention to it by drawing spots all over them.

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It's so refreshing when someone types a few words of wisdom like Longshanks invariably does. :worship:

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People need to remember that it's a local pool league and not something that remotely matters a jot . .

Kyle was playing at the World Championships a couple of years ago . . Played his 1st Round match with a nomal white . . Turned up in the morning to play his 2nd Round match and they'd changed the whites to the spotted once and told them to crack on with no prior warning or practice opportunity . .

. . I can understand people raising concerns as the World Championships is 'slightly' more important than Div 3 in the CDPL but even then I doubt there was more pissing and whinging there as there is in this thread :roll:

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Just out of interest, I wonder how many leagues, in say, Surrey allow the ball to be used?

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I'd be very surprised if it's ever come about elsewhere . .

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I agree Dan have played in a number of leagues in Surrey and haven;t seen it. Nonetheless I am pretty sure that this much fuss wouldn;t be made of it elsewhere.

Most players in Surrey are more concerned with the diesel prices for their tractors than anything else!

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i find that hard to believe... there is very much a noticable difference with the weight and hence cue ball response. i'd say the spotted would be 100g or 105 at least

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You reckon you weigh 13st 2lb so it's clearly obvious you have no concept of weight . .

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Believe it mate.
Funnily enough, I didn't guess the weights, I used a set of scales, hence being able to take it down to within 1/10th gram!

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Don't worry Mark - Wiggy finds it hard to believe that his hair is manufactured from horses manes and tails sometimes.

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i'm obviously much better than i thought if i can notice a 1% difference in weight...


and daniel i weigh 11st 30lbs...!!!

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You're starting to sound like Bob Shaw

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Sorry, I promise I won't make 27 different shapes/weights of cue butt from a random selection of materials though...
:rofl:

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What scales do you need to measure a 10th of a gram with. Do you sell adult flour???

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:haha:its not bob shaw that worries about 1/10th of a gram its rod:clapping:

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I'm still waiting for Fat Dart to show me where and when the Farley Eden agreed by a democratic vote to accept the ball into CPDL and where it states in the league constitution the ball has been 'approved' by its members to be legally used under league conditions.....

I fear the Goodfella's may unfortunatley be demoted back to Division 4 next winter for use of unapproved equipment unless this unsavoury matter is resolved.....

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:lol: @ Fieldsy!!

The Power(grr), I don't see how use of a cue ball and it being voted in by the CDPL members would be in the League Consititution. I think you're a little confuzzled.

I do believe that the Secretary of the Goodfellas (no apostrophe) phoned the Secretary and Treasurer of the CDPL to ask if a cue ball with red spots on, which is the same size as a cue ball with no spots on it would be deemed as acceptable for use in League games. I also believe the answer to the aforementioned Secretary was something along the lines of 'if it's the same size, then I can't see a problem with you using it.'

As a Committee Member at that time, I can inform you that the Committee do not get informed of every phone call or enquiry Mark receives. That would be stupid.

I'm sure Deutch can clarify the details of the conversation if he sees this thread and has been mentioned, if people feel strongly enough about a cue ball, they can submit a proposal to an AGM or Half Yearly AGM. Or of course, I'm sure Mark can change his decision if he feels the majority of members don't want to play using the spotted white.

Other than that, I don't really understand your post. Are you trying to say that Mr Halsey has done something wrong by telling the Goodfellas they can use the ball?

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Donna, I cannot comment on what the Goodfella's discussed or which or what factual information about the spotted ball was provided to Mark Halsey. I was not party to any of those conversations.

My understanding since I have played in the Croydon pool league is any changes that could effect its members have to voiced at one of the two AGM's. Amendments to the General Playing Procedures and rules have to be firstly proposed and seconded to the committee and then voted upon at an AGM.

The spotted cue ball differs from a standard white cue ball. So as a member of the CDPL whom lives and works in a democratic society I am entitled to ask when, if any, a formal proposal was made....

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Alex, I am simply responding to your several posts on this matter in which you asked me, as a former Committee member at the time, whether or not Goodfellas had indeed consulted Mark Halsey about their use of the spotted white ball during a game.

The only problem anyone had on here before the extra gram of weight was mentioned was the spots on the ball, which clearly make it different from an average white ball.

Please tell me when you think I have tried to revoke your 'democratic right' to ask if a formal proposal was made?!!!!!! :lol:

Are you trying to suggest in all seriousness that, for example, if a team wish to replace their red and yellow balls with a new set of red and blue balls and ring Mark Halsey just to make sure it's ok to play with them, that Mark should tell them to put a written proposal into the next meeting instead of using a bit of common sense and saying 'As long as they're the same size as the regular reds and yellows, then that's ok.'?

If people then want to complain about it, then they can do so to Mark Halsey and/or at the AGM in writing if they wants an amendment to the rules to state 'only a red and yellow set of balls are deemed acceptable'.

If absolutely EVERYTHING needed to be voted on at the meetings, you'd get home about 4am, seeing as Geoff Martensz has to argue about everything (including things he's said himself coz he's mental).

Plus I don't actually remember the last time you yourself were present at a meeting, or indeed anyone representing the Eden actually saying anything at a meeting.

Maybe you should come. I'm sure people would love to meet you.

P.S. I'm REALLY bored with this now. How about you take it up with Mark Halsey as this is a total waste of webspace and I'm really fed up trying to figure out quite why I keep responding to you and to why you're carrying on with this tirade on here rather than actually phoning Mark to ask him about it. You'd get a lot more accuracy in the answers.

:)

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Bit over the top mate?

So what about the sh*t tables in this league - for sure the Hotshots would never have made it into Div 1 as that table was shocking most of the time

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Donna :crazy:

I nearly nodded off. Not quite but nearly.

Fat Dart will appreciate this part. I am the Captain of the Farley Eden. Pedroso Watts is our honorable team Secretary. We use our democratic right to express 'apologies' for not attending AGM's though if you can be assed to check we have attended the last couple.

I don't recall 'asking' in any prior posts for your response regarding this subject. I am sorry to have to disappoint you Donna, but your comments these days hardly warrant a look let alone my response. This thread is not about YOU. Disappointing for you I am sure but its the truth I am afraid.

For the avoidance of insanity, I think we all know that nobody calls Mark Halsey to ask him if we can change our worn red and yellow balls for a nice new shiny set. I'm just clarifying that point in case really do 'believe' EVERYTHING you write.

To the contrary to the above, the use of an extra weighted white cue ball with some big fat red spots is something we expect as members of the CDPL to see a 'written proposal' on.....

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I think fella you should take it in the light hearted humour it was meant....;)

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Never can be too sure with you matey.

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I believe the spotted white should be exchanged for a standard white if requested. As for its weight, surely this is irrelevant. What about the difference in speed of the table. If you play at the Ship, S Norwood, you will be used to a slow table. When you come to Riley?s you will be playing on a fast table. Surely the weight of the white ball matters not. I shouldn?t take many shots for you to get used to the speed the same as the weight of the white. But I can understand the spots being off putting to some. In which case I see no problem with it being changed if requested to do so.

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Absolute rubbish . . On that note the same could be said about being able to adjust to the spots during the warm up . .

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Safe rudeboy . .

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if you can't notice any difference in the weight then quite simply your shit...

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:snigger:

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THE END.:eek2::eek2::eek2::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:

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Used it tonight, have no problem....we do play out of the ship in South Norwood, and our team did have a problem with the pace of the table - as did some of the goodfellas, to be fair.

In fact, might consider getting one for our table :nerner:....read division 3 thread for reason....:smug:

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can't believe it's still being used... it sounds different to a normal white and even smells different!!!

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im going to get these just to piss everyone off! :D
http://www.teammascot.com/aaa/images/products/160/18737_160.jpg

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That will be these . . .

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I was approached by Mark Stallard last July with this enquiry and informed him that I have received no official complaint in writing about the use of this ball and as far as I was concerned he should carry on until such time that I do. To date I have received no official complaint nor any proposal as such and so I defend my initial response. I did add at the time that I would seek verification from the EPA (via the SCPA) but I completely forgot. Now that this situation has raised its ugly head again, I have e-mailed the secretary of the SCPA for his comments and his response is as follows

"Hi Mark
To my knowledge there is nothing in any rules about the white ball.
They use the spotted one at the Worlds, and I have seen it in 9-ball comps on the TV.
In theory it is up to you.
My only advice would be to go with the ?majority? and make that the rule: e.g if most venues have them, use them, if most venues don?t then don?t.
What you don?t want to do is let venues/teams choose on the night?.that will cause loads of rows.

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards
Warren Robinson ACIOB
Surrey Sec"

I have informed Mark Stallard of this response in an email and have given the same info as I told him last July.

CARRY ON UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT SOMEBODY MAKES AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT VIA A PROPOSAL & SECONDER THROUGH THE NORMAL CHANNELS AND NOT THROUGH THIS SITE.

END OF (at this moment in time that is)

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:snigger:

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so someone is just about to break off, notices the 'dodgy white... puts in an official complaint (2nd'd obviously)....etc etc... blimey that's gonna make a long ol' frame of pool!!!


fcuk it we're using this next week...

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Have heard that the spotted cue ball also reacts diffrently.

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You heard it reacts differently??? Did your mystery source tell you HOW exactly? It's still a ball, it's extra 1.2g of weight are not all on one of its spots. It's just a match ball, not a joke 'googly' one.
:ohmygod:

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Perhaps we should ask a top player for advice on this point?

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I'd love to . . Ask me anything :snigger:

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Morray would be the best person to answer this question I'd imagine . . I presume he's used it up in Blackpool a few times and isn't too sad a player these days :D

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Who cares i was always told play the table not your opponent or balls hehe fucking smash em' down know what i mean no but seriously its all right to play with a spotted cue ball but if asked to change then i agree the home team should be obliged