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I seriously fink we do need to make our league 15 frames move with the times!! Most people I have spoken to regarding this is well up for 15 frames I fink it makes the league more interesting gives teams a chance to get bk into games wen u go like 3-4 nil down in the first set the match is almost ova and let's face it this does happen no matter wot div u play in. Atleast with that extra few frames you ain't gonna feel depleted wen going 3-4 zip down I really feel that for next season this has to happen does anybody object this??? Can any 1 from the site team comment to let us no wether this matter will be in talks? Let's move with the times most want this......... :8ball:

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The only way to bring about any change to the format of the league is firstly to get your secretary to propose a motion which could be discussed at the AGM. Your secretary would need another secretary to second his proposal. If accepted by the committee within any time constraints,the motion would be discussed and voted upon at the AGM. The next meeting has been set for 30th August which I think means that that you are probably too late for any proposal to be accepted for this meeting,but,if you move very quickly,it might be worth a try . Good luck.

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I think every team should vote yes or no.. And the majority vote wins for next season.. I for one am up for this, the only argument against this format is that the match takes to long.. I play in the reigate/redhill league on thursdays and week in week out we play 15 frames and very rarely finish later than 10:30, on the plus side 3 sets of 5 frames means more frames of pool for individual players or for teams that have larger squad numbers means team selection becomes easier... I fail to see a negative here, Like special K said "move with the times"..

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yes i agree lets do it we would have to start a bit earlier though as we do have some people in our league that take ages, dan tell steve i would 2nd the proposal to have 15 frames, and discuss this at the next agm meeting next week,

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i av mentioned this before ,i may ov even proposed it but got blocked...fancy the best thing to do is let every division av there own vote so maybe div1 can get it voted in irreguardless if the lower divisions voting against it...as ov yet many lower division players do not take advantage ov the df rule n tip tap around to much thinking in the past so there games take a bit longer...def propose it for div1 n cup games me thinks :angel:

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If the 15 frames are played on the clock
I'm up for it ,and most of the guys at the forum
If were out for the night let's play pool.

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That sounds better

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I think keep the shorter format for the cups as it keeps the chance of an upset alive... Longer format for the league as its more of a level playing field... Not sure if start times can be any earlier as I for one would struggle to make it from where I work...

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personally i think the league on a whole is shrinking at an alarming rate and if this 15 frame rule gets voted in then i think a lot more teams will pull out.

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The deadline has officially passed for agenda items, but I think next week would be too soon in any case for such a big change.

I say this with the voting in mind. I'm very much for a change to 15 frames, I like others have played in the Reigate&Redhill League and it works just fine.
It would have to be done a long time in advance though, and done with good planning and immaculate presentation to get the sceptics on board though.
I remember the grief we had just trying to get the World Rules voted in.

The Shark makes a very good point though, and that's the one I'd find more pressing. Venues are closing, teams are folding, the league is shrinking. Doesn't matter what rules we have if there's no-one left to play them.

Positive and constructive ideas should be shared now, as to what, if anything we can do to try and promote the game, maybe get more teams on board.
then we could maybe get some kind of presentation in place in time for the Spring, and use next Summer as a trial with the intention of Winter 2013 being the new dawn as it were.

The obvious one for me is the cost for new teams. We have to find ways to make it more attractive to join.

I think our neighbours in Reigate and Redhill could teach us a lot, the same way a lot of our good ideas and structure has been exported elsewhere.

This is not a critisism of Mark and the Committee who I have a lot of respect for, this is merely echoing the concerns of Andy above, and how if at all we can address this?

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you will get less upsets with a longer format
each frame is less intense imo
the croydon league was great when it was best of 7
it's still great now with 10 and then 11 frames...

if it ain't broke, don't try and fix it!

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I think 15 would be good. I also like the idea of keeping 11 in the cup as it makes it more exciting for the smaller teams if they can nick a big win. especially if they have a best of 15 the night after.

I think the smaller venues will benefit from it as well. (more time to drink)

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why would they ????????.......

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Because not everyone fancies playing 15 frames and getting home gone midnight.

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there is less value in each frame, the more you play.
i prefer it a more tense affair and keeping it close...

there's no fun playing when you've known the winner for ages. keeping it shorter keeps teams the game going longer!

yes the reigate league play 15 frames but they're league is about the good teams beating the bad teams 14-1, 13-2 whereas croydon teams are a lot closer to each other!

i prefer 10 frames as it's harder to win but i can see the attraction of 11, 15 is too much for me, will drag on and we'll lose interest!

the singles is still best of 3 (which is why i don't bother), no-one appears to want to make that a decent distance and more of a night so i don't see the sudden urgency for the team event either...

i'd like to see the k.o. cup best of 7 like the old days, lots of tension and lots of suprises!

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I have to agree with andye. I loved the old school 7 games in cup competitions. Seems there's a lot of interest in Division 1 about extending the format, but only Neil and Ben have shown interest among non-division 1 teams for the extended format.

I'd vote against the extended format, sorry. As Paul mentioned above regarding work related issues, a lot of my team wouldn't be able to get venues early.

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Actually ko cup maybe keep to 11 as givs the underdogs more ova chance but guys the game as changed massively the old best ov 7 woz good for the old rules but world rules is ment to b an attacking game which means more people lose frames by bein dished or only avin the 1shot,at least the 15frames let's almost every1 av 2games or maybe 3 depending on squad size...Iv also played in red n rei league a few times n they also finish early n get all 15 frames in so it should not b a problem especially if lower divisions remember to play DFs rather than tip tap around....each division should vote on there own division so at least div1 keeps up with the times...god knows y but Croydon as always ad to dragged kickin n screaming to simply keep up with most leagues...try it summer league n re vote for winter league simples n it :angel:

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Well said Tony that's bang on! 15 frames is in favour of most so far wits wrong with giving it 1 try!!!! :angel:

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Yes, I am all for 15.
If one team has to many players, 15 games is a good way to shuffle them all out so everybody gets a game.

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its negativity like this that stops the leauge moving forward.. who said anything about finishing at midnight other than you who hasnt played in a 15 frame format.. like i said reigate league finishes well before 11 pm week in week out...

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jackos got it bang on.. get voting people..

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I'm not so sure bout this one , I two have played in a 15 frame league with a very strong team , time is not a iusse I will say that people tend to go for it more knowing there are so many frames to be played , my only worry would be the smaller teams getting spanked week in week out , my old team used to regularly win 13.2 , 14.1 , and u know what it gets soooooo boring , I think the longer format will only suit the stronger teams , rich get richer poorer get poorer if u like , have to consider the leauge is getting smaller and smaller 5 years ago great idea but now I'm not sure

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negativity querty is that what you call it? i call it having an opinion...and for your wisdom i have played in a 15 frame format and found it quite boring especially as mentioned in other posts where you get a better team v a poor team it can get tedious. also when playing in div 1 in croydon rarely did we finish before 10.15 playing 10 frames and thats playing for a very attack minded team so add another 5 on top of that its not rocket science to work out your have later finishes especially in the lower divisions who will be more affected if this happens. when a vote is taken on this its only fair all secratarys from all divisions have there say and not as jacko hinted have div 1 having a seperate vote for there own division. the most important issue here is the league on a whole and whats best for that, so lets just have a vote and see what happens at least after that teams will have a choice as to what they want to do.