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Now before I begin on my rant I want to make perfectly clear I have nonissue in playing rod Altes in the singles or hve issue with the man himself. What I do have a problem is the special treatment he is receiving. Now I was eating my dinner today and I get a phone call from steve bird better halfs secretary saying the obvious rod is banned from Rileys we need to rearrange the match I said let me speak to Halsley to get a grasp of what's going on here.

Conversation with mark Halsley. He stated under no circumstances must this match be postponed the ban between rod and Rileys is independent of the league and it's members and therefore rods match must be agreed to be played at a different venue. Well I recall
A certain mr Jackson who was banned from Rileys and kicked out of all comps when drawn at Rileys. Secondly now there is a deal with the league for Rileys to hold all last 16 matches onwards this information from Halsley came as a bit of a surprise to me. I said he knew he was eventually getting drawn at Rileys whilst banned how is this possible I have to bend over to be " potentially b&d and dished lol. He went onto say if rod reaches the later stages of the tournament which hopefully he won't his matches will be moved from Rileys to the Farley. Go figure.Rileys agreed to this.

It is just another example of the league changing the goalposts for people.

I have now rearranged the match to a venue of my choosing the flying machine biggin hill very close to me :) and rod has gracefully accepted.

I am in utter disbelief on how this can happen admittedly I means its not my fault I play from Rileys but it could be seen as his fault for getting himself banned.

Mr Halsley please can you inform me in future so next time I have time to butter up my bottom before you decide to f*ck me

Anyway enough moaning I'll look forward to kicking a certain mans ass on Monday evening.

Please feel free to give me your opinions oh and 1 more thing good luck rod

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well i must admit i think you have a valid point,its not your fault that rod got banned from rileys and you were drawn at home so why should you have to bend over as you put it.i do hope you win as im sure if rod was to get to the final rileys wouldnt be too pleased to see the singles final held at a different location and who could blame them.:banned:

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The situation regarding Rod Altes could and should have been foreseen. He has elected to play for a lower division side because he could see that a very high percentage of division one teams play out of various Rileys venues . It is sad that he is banned from all Rileys halls for life . Perhaps he might consider appealing the harshness of the sentence . But back to the topic. The proposed Rileys sponsorship deal was discussed in some length at the AGM. It was always extremely likely that, in the present financial climate, we would accept the deal which appeared to be very generous . In these circumstances Rod should not have been allowed to enter the competition in the first place . His continued participation in the knockout competitions should not be allowed . If Rileys are happy for him to carry on playing ,let them suspend the sentence and allow him back,perhaps on a probationary basis !! :bite:

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in other words the commitee messed up and rod should not have been allowed to enter the comps that rileys sponser.
i would suggest that mark gets in contact with rileys to ask that rods ban be lifted,
plus the unpredictables are playing rods team in the ko cup in a few weeks time,now the game should be played at rileysbut as rods banned shall we play it at the farley.(please advise):bite:

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at the end of the day riley's have banned rod! rod was not prepared to go and badger riley's to have his ban lifted but always knew that there could be a possibility of being drawn at a riley's venue some stage in the croydon competitions and even thought about with-drawing from them! so why do riley's not lift his ban for these occassions which would make it easier as they are in with croydon pool league as a host of the competitions?

what happened to innocent till proven guilty

defamation of character springs to mind....!

:chicken:

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This has to be sorted out because the same problem will occur in the next round. ;)

Mr Cee - clubs can ban whoever they want. But I agree they should lift the ban for singles/doubles matches, but not team games.

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The problem we have are two extremes. From what I gather, Rod has been barred from every Rileys (is that for life? I'm not sure). You then have the Croydon league who as far as I can gather have done nothing about Rod despite the alleged incident happening during a cup game and against another registered member.

That's where the problems lie. Either Rod is guilty of something (case closed) or he is innocent until proven guilty. There needs to be consistency.

Either way.... I don't for the life of me understand why Farron should lose home advantage.

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Teach

I think the League would only ban someone if a formal complaint had been lodged.

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I do not normally answer to opinions or justify my actions to opinions raised on this website but nevertheless I have been in contact with Rileys higher mnanagement over this ban which remains in force until the outcome of the impending court case. I am here to represent all members in the league and promote fair play and sportmanship. The league have not banned Rod Altes for any wrong doings so if he is drawn to play away in the comps at a venue that has chosen to ban him then one would presume that that organisation would be willing to overlook the matter for that particular evening so as not to impede one of its own members by forfeiting home advantage as any match that Rod Altes has to play at Rileys whilst he remains in the competitions will be played at another venue to be decided by the two respective secretaries. That is the call and that is how it is until an alternative direction is given to me at the appropriate time by the membership and if people are not aware what that appropriate time is then for your information they are the two general meetings that the league hold in september and february bi-annual. Rileys have agreed an appendix to our agreement that should Rod Altes reach the last 16 of the individual competitions then that/those matches up until and including the final will be played at an alternate venue that the league nominate. I will be more than happy to discuss this matter further at the AGM in september should the matter arise.

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First and for most I would like to start by saying I've been a close friend of rods for a number of years, and god knows he had had more cooked dinners at my house than I have!! Lol but I always say it how I c it and for someone to have to give up they home advantage against rod through no fault of they own is a disgrace!! let's face it most players need all the help they can get get while playing rod, if the alleged incident had indeed nothing to do with the leauge (and I was they) than why is it affecting the league , no player should be forced to change venue if they don't want too, what was the point of doing the draw, sorry mark Hasley and co u are got this tottaly wrong

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its down to mr halsey to communicate with the head of riley's and try to get this matter sorted out as soon as possible it would make perfect sense to allow rod in rileys venue's just for games then he is to leave the premises its ok for people to throw mud about other people but those throwing the mud ain't no saint either as they seem to think and was also banned from riley's venue's for THREATENING A FEMALE MEMBER OF STAFF (cough) over nothing more then being allowed a free table at half past 11 at night, its also clear that jacko dislikes rod for what ever reason that is he opinion and choice but rod has not been found guilty of nothing and should be treated that way until proven otherwise.

this is a friendly league and all the teams i have come across in my time of playing in the league have had loads of banter fun and laughs and enjoyed the night away from there other half's so without this matter getting any further into a slanging match it would be better for mr halsey to converse with rileys and try to get this matter sorted.

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I have contacted Rileys management on this matter and have been informed that until the outcome of the impending court case is known, Rod Altes ban from Rileys on a nationwide basis remains in force and there is nothing I can do about that and I have mentioned this in an earlier post. I respect that everyone has an opinion on matters but it appears that I am seen as judge, jury and executioner re Rod's current and maybe future opponents if he is drawn to play at Rileys previous to the last 16 stage when, at the end of the day, it is Rileys themselves that is impeding their members. As I have said, I have made the call and it is one of them that never satisfies everybody but someone has to unfortunately and I am not a stranger to controversy when it comes to making decisions but my underlying intention is to be fair to all concerned and to that I made a statement that alternate venues previous to the last 16 stage were to be agreed between the 2 secretaries but upon reflection that really should read that any Rileys player will decide on the alternate venue. I suggest that this now is put to sleep and discussed in full in September so that there is a guideline/direction in place for the future regarding banned players from venues.

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As previously stated I am happy to play tonight but there is just one more thing I was told no postponements for my match tonight yet rod's secretary can postpone his game in order to drive rod to his game???? I truly can't wait till September AGM

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jacko am i a nob and is there a way you could prove it.....? Farron your a joker stop the bitching let the pool do the talkin.....

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Farron,
No disrespect intended here but during our conversation the topic of a "Postponement" was never mentioned. What I said to you was that I would not accept a Walkover Claim in respects of Rod Altes not being able to play at the venue. I do sympathise with your predicament but your argument should also be directed at the club that your a member of and not just at me or the League in general. I look forward to discussing this with you in September and perhaps a foundation can be laid that this is the last time that the League have to get involved in matters that they have no control over or indeed no involvement in. Just as a footnote, the same decision would have been taken had it been any other member of the league and not Rod Altes as the Tony Jackson episode a few years back was not a satisfactory conclusion either. On a personal note and not a League Secretary note, it pisses me off (only sometimes !!) that I have to get involved in these matters but if I am then I will call it as I see it and unfortunately you have been brought into this through no fault of your own.

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Just to add my 2 pence worth...Surely a walkover win should be accepted as you are not meant to change or postpone any fixtures :bite:
Too be honest if he is banned from Rileys then he should do the honourable thing & not enter a comp sponsered by them & mainly fixtures played in the clubs owned by them...

i don't give a $h!te but it does seem odd that you say a walkover can't be claimed - will you pay for Farron's cab to an altern venue ?:o

Farron just bash him up & end it - on the table of course......Violence is not accepted in this league
Unless of course you are a certain player or play for a certain team :@

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my ten pence worth !!!! think mark is right it is out of his hands until the court case issue is resovled.. i also think farron you have a valid point and also shows youve grown up into a man and shown great sportsmanship in playing rod to night !!! on notes that rod does not turn up on presentation nite mr jackson there in also been valid reason because rod has been involved in region 7 on that day and the further he progressed and the time it finshed rod was unable to turn up!!!i think youve taken it a tad too far yes people no what rod hobby is but to slap it up on here is bang out of order .. i guess come september your b asking for the league to take drug tests!! you yourself have been involved were if i remember u were barred as mark halsey put john hersey after his mistake and hughie aswell with a sisutation with alex !! rod is beatable but people seemmed to b threatened by his pool abilty, i think its a shame he cannot just turn up play his game and leave .. so good luck to both players tonight ......

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I do not know the facts behid the case although that said if a legal case is being prerpared, then it is only reaonable for Rileys to ban someone from their premises.

The league can only act upon an event if a complaint is made by the victim, or possibly the venues manager should they feel it necessary to reprimand the away team or players. If a complaint was not received then no action can be taken.

From Rods perspective he is a player not banned from the league, who plays fro a team that has paid to affiliate to that said league.

I can see it from both points of view but I dont think Rod should be prevented from entering any competition, and that if the league have already covered this with Rileys (rightly or wrongly) that fixtures would have to be found alternative venues, then that is pretty much cut and dried.

Violece as Truey says should not be accepted, however from my experience of seeing a couple of fights over the years in this league, they are seldom one sided in terms of how they were derived.

This is not me defending Rod by the way its more defending the application process that was put in place by the league. Whether the process is correct is open to debate, but you cant criticise the organiser for following what was agreed.

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Farron,

Are you actually playing your game down the flyer tonight? If so mate you might want to give our secretary Paul a ring and warn him as 3 of our players all have singles matches tonight all at home, so might have to wait a bit for the table. Doesn't matter though, its only a short journey. For you.

Im actually up from portsmouth a day early this week so may pop down the flyer and watch :)

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After some sensible consideration I have agreed to play rod on his doorstep at the Farley I can't do much more apart from patch him 2-0 lol this what not a personal dig at rod or mark Halsley i was just voicing an opinion of annoyance regarding the hassle to find an alternative venue and losing home advantage so let the game begin

I would like to state also I did not ask to claim the win I truly wanted to play rod and I know this was not
Intended at myself Andrew but I am
Neither scared of rods pool ability, his hobby or the man himself and I'm sure I will have a very good chance tonight considering all our past meetings in different leagues have been even.

Plus I would like to mention rod deserves to play in the comp like any other but the handling of situation could have been done better this was basically done and dusted before I was even informed

Anyway enough is enough may the best man win. Hopefully me.

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Farron I was in no way having a pop at you at all mate !!! And I understand what your saying but certain other people have the problem with rod!!!

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I took no offence at your comments Farron as I can fully understand and sympathise with your frustrations and I will go on the record here and now and say that not once during our conversation did you bring up or mention about claiming a walkover win as it was me that informed you near on straight away when you wanted to know what was occuring. What I will say is that the matter about any league member who is banned from a playing venue, regardless of who he/she is seriously needs addressing at the AGM to stop this happening again after this current summer season has elapsed.

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mr cee who ever u r? dont b telling lies bout me n expect me 2bend over n take it...know ur facts 1st...faron we no ura top bloke n best ov luck 4 2nite...im stil baffled that the simple fact is if u do not allow mark 2change the draw or change the agreement we the members voted on concerning the rileys sponsorship then u wil b kicked out ov comps...u cannot force a player 2change the venue drawn or voted on its absolutely ridiculas r our votes or rights meaningless? :angel:

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Firstly i am ANDRE COX secondly you only know of me from the league and we have never mixed words so for you to call me a nob is wrong and i got offended. i was stating facts and you was barred for the mentioned reasons! the way you have put rod's name across this site is wrong if you throw mud at people expect the mud to be thrown back rod does not come on this site as you know and the way you put his name across the site he does not have a chance to defend himself because you obviously have no balls in order to tell him these things yourself and as you know people will go back and tell him whatever rivalry you 2 have has nothing to do with this thread and the things you have said about him ain't right but it's ok for you to threaten people with text messages and exploit people within this league so before you stand in your glass house throwing stones have a think about the repercussions because your no :angel: as you make out. i know rod like many others within this league and he is genuinely liked and admired for his pool ability like many others that play in the league and its a pleasure to be amongst the quality as it only does 1 thing. i do not see why rod should not be allowed in riley's just for games and not pleasure he has not been found guilty of nothing and pending the outcome of the case base the final decision on that. but the mayor mr halsey has conversed with riley's and they have made there choice so its left there. any 1 of us within this league could go out on a night out not on a pool night to any team venue for a night out and get involved in an altercation which could result in a ban from that venue could we not be in this very same position again....?

rod beat farron games could have gone either way as farron had chances.

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I gracefully lost 3-0 to a better player and I wish him all the luck in future rounds I possibly should have knicked 2 but that's life congratulations rod

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oh na na what's my name yeah that's right croydon NO1! If that's what rod wants to do that's his choice and his decision we all do things to calm our nerves i go pool with a here is 1 i made earlie i must say i take a walk away from the premises so we all got our thing yours is cosmetic surgery your choice. I'm just sticking up for rod because he does not come on this site to defend himself like i previously stated.

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This is great. I miss playing in Croydon. Everyone likes everyone up here and there's never any drama which makes it rather boring. In fact, in three years I haven't seen or heard anyone raise their voice over pool let alone having a tear-up :|

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Rod was also banned, for hotshots v the prop last summer, due to phone call informing rileys that he was not allowed in, this was indeed a very sad action I'm not mentioning no names of course, but we had the last laugh we pissed the leauge anyway lol

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Two posts above 'allege' there was an incident at Rileys that night. Both statements are incorrect - the incident happened. Rileys were confident what took place and sensibly dealt with the matter, quickly by banning one person - not both of them.

The incident occured after/during a Croydon Pool fixture which immediately should mean an investigation regardless of whether a complaint was made. In this case, information suggests two verbal complaints were indeed received by the committee. Notwithstanding, the seriousness of the incident, a Croydon pool member's injuries, and fact the Police had been involved it is suprising the committee took a back seat. The incident didn't receive air time at the next AGM, another opportunity missed to deal with the matter.

It is therefore baffling to see the league committee, given Rileys immediate stance on this matter, offer some form of 'special treatment' whilst penalising someone (Farron) who had no involvement in the matter by making them change home advantage! The league have struck a 'deal' to host last 16 fixtures at a Rileys venue in return for their sponsorship but currently there is no mutual support of Rileys decision with Mr J Carcamo by the league committee. The reverse in fact, attempts to lift the ban.

The fact is there seems to have been a series of incidents in the past which the league has failed to deal with, one of which we now learn was whilst wearing a Croydon team shirt! Some of the arguments above about taking drugs are tied in with the arguments against cheating in general. Since this thread is about the committee 'changing the rules', is it fair to comment we have omitted arguments that focus on taking drugs being against the 'current' rules? We all seem to forget its the taking part that counts, not the winning. Drugs are against 'the spirit' of any sport. Remember, if the 'spirt of sport' includes the idea of hard work to become the best, taking drugs should be seen as a way of succeeding with less effort.

Imposing a 'ruling' on someone having to give up home advantage without the members approval is wrong, and whilst 'you' the 'members' sit there and say or do nothing the powers that be on the committee will continue to make bad decisions on your behalf.

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Appreciate your comments power but this is not about the committee sitting back and doing nothing .... If we investigated every verbal complaint that I have received over the last 27 years, running the CDPL would become for myself and other past and present committee members .... a full time job. I for one does not want to open the door or floodgates for verbal complaints to be investigated to the extent that a wriiten one is handled at present. We have a responsibility to look after the interests of all members, regardless of personal opinions or what other associations have taken action over. We also have license to make decisions that we deem as fair at the time and again I fail to see where we, or should I say on this incident I, have sat back and done nothing. If my actions are deemed as incorrect then no doubt I'm gonna get an earful at the AGM .... but at least the problem will be aired but until then the situation and emergency measures stand ........ thats unless somebody wants to call another emergency meeting so the problem can be dealt with sooner if people see fit.

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I can understand the time constraints you have, nobody doubts you receive a lot of complaints that border on nothing more than time wasting. But with hindsight would you not agree that given the 'seriousness' (charges relate to ABH & carrying an offence weapon) of the incident during a Croydon pool night, this particular 'complaint' merited taking a look at? Given the fact your sponsors were fully aware what had taken place would not contacting them at the time and then making universal decision as to interest of other members of the league not have been a sensible approach?

Mark, we all have our opinons and this is mine so please don't take offence. I am not saying your role is easy at times, and you are highly respected by the members of this league but you have got this one wrong. You and I both know nobody will call an 'emergency' meeting its too late in the day for that.

Just out of interest, when the Crown Court case concludes and in the event of a guilty verdict - what will be the league committee's position then?

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Just for the record, I do not take offence at peoples opinions re the League, I would do if it was aimed at me personally or any member of my family in a hostile way but my position means I am accountable for my actions so thats cleared that up for a start. To be honest the Rod Altes situation was not even considered, thought about or discussed and that couold be interpreted as a fault if you like but I've got 600-700 people to consider and an individuals problems are not my main concern. I whole heartedly agree with the majority of the comments here (not the personal attack ones) and if Rod Altes is a decent fella he should withdraw from the competitions willingly until his situation is sorted one way or the other in court and has his ban lifted from Rileys. We have had 2 similar incidents over the last 3 years with players being banned from a venue and I will be strongly proposing that any such player in the future will 1 - Not be eligible to enter into the Individual Competitions and 2 - If this occurs during a season and before the comps come to a conclusion then he/she will be withdrawn from the competitions with the previous opponent/s being re-instated into the competition and tis discussed in September. Just as footnote, its alright people raising opinions on here but at the end of the day the incident was alledged but for any of those people that were actually there on the night and know for a fact what occured ..... Why have none of you ever come forward so that this could have been dealt with at league level if you have previously posted on this thead ?. Again, I can only deal with problems if they are raised.

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i actually aint got nothin against crack eds, bums or druggies or peasants...think there clearly pillars ov the community...kmt ....if i practice enuf drop down 2div 2 n win the doubles then maybe just maybe i mite win the rankins Again...itsa dream but its my dream hahahahahahahahahah :angel:

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One thing I would disagree about in Deutch's last post is reinstating someone if they have lost to someone who is subsequently banned. Once you have lost you have lost. It would leave a bye in the next round of course.

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Again, appreciate the comments and we will kick it around at the appropriate time but you get the giste of what I'm saying and really what needs a membership direction on.

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i think there shuold be an emergancy meeting to put this matter to bed,caus its not going to go away any time soon,like i said in an eariler post if rod was to get to the final which everyone knows he is more than capable of doing,rileys as sponcers im sure would be disappointed as they have put alot of mony into the league,if they were to pull out where would that then leave the league,as a certain valcum once said the needs of the meny outwaigh the needs of the few or one in this case.

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Mark , I now feel that it is imperative for you to call another EGM to sort out this major problem.I do not think that the situation can be allowed to fester until September . I have several questions to put to the committee and I would like some answers. I am not prepared to elaborate on this forum. Look forward to an early advice.

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Totally agree but then what's the point of an emergency general meeting the damage has been caused a member has had to sacrifice his home advantage not that I'm saying rod wouldn't of beaten me at home but we played at Farley to no advantage for me but I should of at least had the right to play my fixture at home and I AM still saying rod has a right to play in the competition and he shouldn't feel like he has to forfeit a match but maybe Rileys should have shown more maturity and the match should of been postponed until serious consideration was given and proper ruling was deemed.

100% respect to rod who informed on the night he would have given me the match but the long term of this predicament needs to be dealt with as this will now affect the better halves ko cup match as rod is in their team and they have right according to the emergency ruling to play it at the Farley.

The way I see it is I lost fair and square to what can only be described as a genius on a pool table. However if it is deemed in future that a banned player from a sponsored venue is disallowed from entering a competition then I will feel very aggrieved as I have been beaten by someone who should not have been in this years competition theoretically so my opinion on the whole thing is if it is not clear enough proper ruling should have been taken before the match was played.
Mark I think you do a very decent job for the league and I know not many people would do it but you could of helped me out here by having a decent discussion/vote I mean the decision was already taken before I spoke to yourself. I mean if the league and it's members had voted for option which occured and is now in place temporary then this whole thread would be invalid and redundant but i feel this issue and just to make clear the issue is about losing home advantage not rod Altes should have been handles collectively and not by 1 chairman and 2 secretaries.

Those who say rod shouldn't be allowed in competition I understand the frustration but what is a league without it's best players and the frustration is therefore promoted from a feeling of anguish that said aggrieved members do not have the capability to beat mr Altes and I for one don't share this opinion.

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I will talk to the Chairman today with a view to an EGM being called for Thursday 21st July (To be confirmed)

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Well done Rod glad you won!

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thank u barry n andre luv u guys x...n b warned im gona tel my mum ov u....anyways 2the sensible amoung u think emergency meetin is imperitif 2resolve this matter n even correct it asap....p.s. hot shots won the league by 1point last summer with rod playin at other rileys venues without permission(kinda cheatin really)but wat do u expect...4 sum1 to tel tales sum1 else must ov done rong?:angel:

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We would one the league by a much greater margin if it was not some dick head not posting the cards off!!! That will be me than lol cheating is a bit strong tho, think we ironed u lot out twice tho ..

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I have just this minute heard back from the chairman and would advise that an Emergency General Meeting will be held on THURSDAY 21st JULY (7.45pm) at the THOMAS FARLEY (Pool Area) to discuss, debate and make a ruling on the current Rod Altes situation. A notice of this has also been furbished through the League Results sheet this week.

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actually mark E i went in off the black down ur gaff which would ov won us the league ,stil u done wel especially with us n the prop challengin u :angel:

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Who is the moderator on this site? Or is it a free for all with no rules on here now?

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I think we did well also, but the single point we won the league by was a little miss leading cos as I said In my last post, we were deducted at least 4 points due to me bing incapble of finding a post box so it was a tad more comfortable than one in off fir yourslef

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Thinks that's a great shout, it had nothing to do with pool in the end

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An emergency meeting has been called where this will be discussed in more detail